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                               NUNAVUT WATER BOARD
               FINAL CLOSURE AND RECLAMATION OF THE NANISIVIK MINE
                      JUNE 3, 2004                  VOLUME 1
                  LOCATION: INUUJAG SCHOOL, ARCTIC BAY, NUNAVUT
               
               PANEL:
               Thomas Kudloo      Chairman
               Thomas Kabloona
               Guy Kakkiarniun
               William L. Lyall
               Geoff Kusugak
               George Porter
               Lootie Toomasie
               Charlie Inuaraq
               
               BOARD STAFF:
               Bill Tilleman, Esq.     Legal Counsel
               Phillipe di Pizzo       Executive Director
               Dionne Filiatrault
               Stephen Lines
               Patrick Duxbury
               Ben Kogvik
               Mishak Allurut          Interpreter 
               
               COURT REPORTER:         Tara Lutz
               

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                                      INDEX
                                                      PAGE NUMBER
               OPENING PRAYER...............................3:10
               
               PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT............... 18:3
               
               APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO WRITTEN 
               INTERVENTION............................... 63:21
               
               HTO QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT................. 81:6
               
               ARCTIC BAY QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT......... 86:22
               
               GOVERNMENT OF NUNAVUT QUESTIONS THE 
               APPLICANT................................. 140:25
               
               ENVIRONMENT CANADA QUESTIONS THE 
               APPLICANT.................................. 142:8
               
               REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE......................146:1
               
               
               
               
               
               

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        1      (Hearing commenced at 1:16 p.m., June 3, 2004)
        2      CHAIRMAN:               Good afternoon.  We are the 
        3      Nunavut Water Board.  I'm the Chairman of the 
        4      Nunavut Water Board.  We will be hearing 
        5      presentation from the licensee and hearing 
        6      presentation from Arctic Bay.  And welcome Arctic 
        7      Bay residents to the meeting. 
        8            And make sure you make your statements after 
        9      opening prayer.
       10      CHARLES INUARAQ:        (OPENING PRAYER)
       11      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Charlie. 
       12            As you know, we are the Nunavut Water Board 
       13      members.  We have had meetings here in Arctic Bay 
       14      more than once.  And, as you know, the Nunavut 
       15      Water Board is under Article 13 under Nunavut Land 
       16      Claims to discuss the water licenses, and not salt 
       17      water, fresh water. 
       18            The Nunavut Water Board has to have a hearing 
       19      before they can decide on the license, how they 
       20      will use the water and Nanisivik mine, before it 
       21      closes.  The Nunavut Water Board has to have a 
       22      hearing.  And I just wanted to make a short 
       23      statement that as people of Arctic Bay, that we 
       24      have to know your concerns, so express them freely.  
       25      And if you have any concerns about the closure, 
       26      that we want to know your concerns, and be free to 

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        1      express your concerns. 
        2            The license applicants, we will understand 
        3      what they want and what they are requesting that 
        4      open our ears and open our eyes, and we have to see 
        5      the -- and if we are going to approve the license, 
        6      we need to have the real facts in the application. 
        7            I will mention in a short statement that as 
        8      you are aware, the Chairman has to run the meeting, 
        9      and I will mention that it is the final meeting 
       10      and, in English, it is the final public hearing.  
       11      And after that, it is doubtful if we will come 
       12      back.  But we have to understand, and your concerns 
       13      that -- once, twice or three times, even though I 
       14      keep mentioning it, but people of Arctic Bay are, 
       15      and the applicants as well, we have to listen to 
       16      them because they are -- we want to approve a 
       17      license that is true and that. 
       18            As you know, I keep mentioning them in the 
       19      previous public meetings, so I will make it short.  
       20      Perhaps this will be the final remarks.  But, 
       21      Elders, any time you want to express your views or 
       22      concerns, you are welcome. 
       23            And if you didn't sign your name, you can 
       24      sign with Susie in the front near the entrance 
       25      there. 
       26            And those of you that are here in the final 

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        1      hearing regarding the reclamation and closure plan, 
        2      any questions?
        3      UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER:   If we are going to speak to 
        4      you, where do we go?  We go to that table?
        5      CHAIRMAN:               Yeah, thank you for 
        6      reminding me.  If you want to make a statement, say 
        7      your name and who you represent, or if you 
        8      represent anyone then, or if you are individual or 
        9      just resident. 
       10            And, also, remember that when I'm speaking, 
       11      any statements or remarks are being recorded, and 
       12      they have to transcribe the proceedings.  And I 
       13      don't want to go any further on this, because we 
       14      know.  But remember that, Elders especially, any 
       15      time you want -- you feel like talking, you can 
       16      speak. 
       17            Before I forget here, I should be back on 
       18      track with the order of events, thank you.  Excuse 
       19      me very much, ladies and gentlemen, but I speak two 
       20      languages, so I have a habit of flip-flopping or 
       21      switching languages.  The reason why I say this is 
       22      sometimes it irritates people, but I speak both 
       23      languages, and I am exercising my right to speak 
       24      whatever language I want to.  So much for that.
       25            We are getting to that introduction, thank 
       26      you.  I have to make the opening remarks on the 

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        1      Nunavut Water Board after that.  I'm Thomas Kudloo, 
        2      I'm from Baker Lake.  I'm the chairman of the 
        3      Nunavut Water Board for 18 years -- oh, 8 years.  
        4      And to my right is Bill Lyall from Cambridge Bay, 
        5      and Guy Kakkiarniun.  And at the end, Thomas 
        6      Kabloona from Baker Lake.  And to my left, young 
        7      one from Rankin Inlet, Geoff Kusugak.  And you know 
        8      this one, George Porter.  And from Kugluktuk, 
        9      Lootie Toomasie, and Charlie Inuaraq from Pond 
       10      Inlet. 
       11            Nunavut Water Board vice-chairman Bob Hanson 
       12      is not here, he is attending a family matter, and 
       13      he is not able to be here. 
       14            And the Nunavut Water Board staff, 
       15      Phillipe di Pizzo, he is the executive director, 
       16      you will probably see him.  And Patrick Duxbury, 
       17      you probably know.  He has organized meetings here.  
       18      Dionne Filiatrault, and one of the staff, Susie, 
       19      licensing administrator.  And interpreter/secretary 
       20      to the Board, Ben Kogvik.  And Nunavut Water Board 
       21      has an office in Gjoa Haven and have an office in 
       22      Baker Lake as well.  We try our best to -- and we 
       23      work together in the office. 
       24            I am going to switch to English for a moment 
       25      here.  I'm going to move on to item number 1, give 
       26      an introduction of the parties here.  Obviously, we 

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        1      have got the applicant there, who we all know, and 
        2      I recognize a number of people there. 
        3            Oh, by the way, I forgot to introduce the 
        4      court reporter, I'm so sorry, Tara Lutz. 
        5            Anyway, if you could introduce your parties, 
        6      please, there, Mr. Heath. 
        7      BILL HEATH:             Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  I 
        8      was going to do introductions, but I will do it now 
        9      and correct myself. 
       10            My name is Bill Heath.  I am -- I actually 
       11      wear two hats in these proceedings.  I am president 
       12      of CanZinco, which is the company that owns 
       13      Nanisivik Mine, and I am also vice-president of 
       14      administration for Breakwater Resources, which is 
       15      the company that owns CanZinco. 
       16            Next to me is Bob Carreau, who many of you 
       17      know from Bob's time at Nanisivik.  And Bob is our 
       18      corporate manager of environmental affairs.  And 
       19      next to Bob is Eric Denholm with Gartner Lee out of 
       20      Yellowknife. Eric has been involved in this process 
       21      pretty much from the beginning with us and worked 
       22      on the Environmental Site Assessments at various 
       23      stages. 
       24            Next to Eric is Murray Markle.  Murray, many 
       25      of you all recognize him, a long-time Nanisivik 
       26      resident.  When we closed Nanisivik, Murray was our 

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        1      safety superintendent, and when we went into a 
        2      reclamation mode, Murray agreed to come back and 
        3      act as our site manager.  And hiding behind Murray 
        4      is Jim Cassie with an engineering firm out of 
        5      Calgary.  And Jim, as well, has worked for us both 
        6      while we were operating and since we have been in 
        7      the reclamation stages. 
        8      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  And by the way 
        9      there, I have been reminded that I neglected to 
       10      mention my good friend and legal help, Bill 
       11      Tilleman, legal counsel for the Water Board for the 
       12      last eight years.  I apologize. 
       13            I do believe we have got interveners here 
       14      from DIAND, Mr. McLean?
       15      CARL McLEAN:            Thank you, Mr. Chair.  Yes, 
       16      my name is Carl McLean.  I'm the manager of land 
       17      administration for Indian and Northern Affairs 
       18      Canada based in Iqaluit. 
       19            Also with me, I'll just get my list here so I 
       20      don't mispronounce any of the names here.  We have 
       21      Stephanie Hawkins, who is with our water resources 
       22      section; Constantine Bodykevich, who is our water 
       23      resources inspector.  We have Norm Cavanagh who is 
       24      with Justice Canada, and Anusha Aruliah, who is 
       25      also with Justice Canada, and that's all we have 
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        1      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Mr. McLean. 
        2            Do we have representatives from Environment 
        3      Canada?
        4      COLETTE MELOCHE:        Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.  
        5      My name is Colette Meloche, and I'm the 
        6      environmental assessment and contaminated site 
        7      specialist with Environment Canada in Iqaluit. 
        8      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Do we have 
        9      interveners from DFO?  I believe so.  DFO?
       10      DERRECK MOGGY:          Thanks, Mr. Chairman.  
       11      Derreck Moggy from Fisheries and Oceans.  I am a 
       12      habitat management biologist, and I work out of 
       13      Iqaluit. 
       14      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Any other 
       15      interveners?  NTI, George?
       16      GEORGE HAKONGAK:        Thanks, Mr. Chair.  I'm 
       17      George Hakongak.  I'm here with Nunavut Tunngavik 
       18      Incorporated out of Cambridge Bay, Department of 
       19      Lands and Resources.  I am the manager of 
       20      environment, water and marine management.  Thank 
       21      you. 
       22      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Susan Hardy, 
       23      GN.  I knew you were hiding.
       24      SUSAN HARDY:            Thank you, Mr. Chair.  The 
       25      GN has a number of people in town today to attend 
       26      the hearing.  When we present, it will be myself.  

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        1      I'm legal counsel for the Government of Nunavut, 
        2      Department of Justice; it is where I work.  And I 
        3      will be co-presenting with another agent from the 
        4      government, Rhoda Katsak, who works for the 
        5      regional office, Community and Northern Development 
        6      for the Government of Nunavut.  We also have Earl 
        7      Baddaloo, the director of environmental protection; 
        8      Bruce Trotter, environment specialist for health 
        9      and social services; Doug Sitland, manager of 
       10      capital projects, community government and 
       11      services -- sorry, community government services.  
       12      Louise Kilby (phonetic), sorry, are there --  
       13      Louise Kilby, manager of community development.  
       14      David Itairan (phonetic) is here, he works with the 
       15      airports division; that's our team. 
       16      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Anybody else?  
       17      Are we missing the hamlet of Arctic Bay?
       18      NIORE IQALUKJUAK:       My name is Niore 
       19      Iqalukjuak, mayor of Arctic Bay.  I'm here with 
       20      several of my councillors from the hamlet of Arctic 
       21      Bay that I wish to introduce you to.  Daniel Aola, 
       22      councillor, Sakiasie Qaunaq, also a councillor, Roy 
       23      Takakuma (phonetic), yeah, over there, and also a 
       24      council member.  And Liza Calaso, a councillor 
       25      also.  Thanks. 
       26      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Mr. Mayor.  Am I 

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        1      missing anything from anybody?
        2      RAMLI HALIM:            Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  
        3      My name is Ramli Halim, and I'm working for Acres 
        4      International in our Winnipeg office.  I'm a 
        5      consultant with the Nunavut Water Board. 
        6      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
        7      MUCKTAR AKUMALIK:       I represent the Ikajutiit 
        8      Elders' Committee.  Please stand up, the members to 
        9      their Inuit Elders' Committee.  You probably see 
       10      them.  We are the Elders' Committee.  Welcome to 
       11      the meeting, and thank you for coming to Arctic 
       12      Bay, and we will have a good meeting with good 
       13      results.  And try to cut down on the negative and 
       14      back-lashing remarks, but be happy here. 
       15      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       16      TOMMY TATATUAPIK:       Tommy Tatatuapik.  I am 
       17      part of the Nanisivik Working Group, also a member 
       18      of the Hunters and Trappers Organization, and I 
       19      have meetings or consultation with the Water Board 
       20      representative once in a while, so I will be 
       21      representing this group. 
       22      CHAIRMAN:               Anybody else?
       23      KUNUK OYUKULUK:         I represent the HTO.  The 
       24      wildlife ship brought in supplies, I guess, and I 
       25      will be mentioning the ship, that we have to 
       26      protect our wildlife, but Nanisivik and the 

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        1      Nanisivik habitat effort.
        2      CHAIRMAN:               Anybody else from the 
        3      Elders?
        4      KAUTAQ JOSEPH:          Kautaq Joseph.  I'm 
        5      representing the Inuit Elders' Committee and also 
        6      health committee for Arctic Bay, also caregivers' 
        7      committee and also women's group.  So these are my 
        8      committees, thank you. 
        9      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       10      QAPIK ATTAGUTSIAQ:      I am just an Elder, that's 
       11      all.  Nanisivik, when it was starting exploration, 
       12      I was with the IC Arctic Bay (phonetic).  I am the 
       13      wife of IC Arctic (phonetic), and I have been there 
       14      in the beginning, and I heard this is the last 
       15      meeting to discuss Nanisivik closure. 
       16            I also represent the Patutik (phonetic) 
       17      women's group, so I am a member to that.  I went to 
       18      meetings, and that.  I'm an Elder.  I'll probably 
       19      have remarks, so I have been here from the 
       20      beginning to the end of Nanisivik.
       21      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       22      TOOTALIK OYUKULUK:      I represent the Radio 
       23      Society, and some of our members are not here, I 
       24      don't think.  Thank you. 
       25      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Anyone else? 
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        1      express?  Tommy, am I right?
        2      TOMMY KILABUK:          Yeah.  I will make some 
        3      comments on the closure as we proceed, thank you. 
        4      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
        5      AKIKULUK SHAPPA:        Akikuluk Shappa.  I will 
        6      make some comments, too, later on in the 
        7      proceedings.  I also represent the Radio Society.  
        8      Thanks. 
        9      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       10      MOSES OYUKULUK:         Moses Oyukuluk.  I will be 
       11      making comments, too.  Just to inform you that I 
       12      will be making comments. 
       13      CHAIRMAN:               Okay.  Thank you.
       14      SAKIASIE QAUNAQ:        Sakiasie Qaunaq from Arctic 
       15      Bay. 
       16            Since the beginning of Nanisivik, right to 
       17      the end, I have been there also and have been 
       18      involved with it, and I know -- recognize some of 
       19      these people here, so I will be making comments 
       20      too. 
       21      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       22      SHEENA QAUNAQ:          I'm Sheena Qaunaq, Economic 
       23      Development Office.  Thank you. 
       24      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Is that it?
       25      JASON PALLUK:           I'm Jason.  I will be 
       26      making comments, too, about -- as an experienced 

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        1      worker. 
        2      CHAIRMAN:               Okay.  And you will always 
        3      have a chance to make comments.  As I said, welcome 
        4      to the meeting. 
        5            What I would like to do is carry on with our 
        6      agenda here in item number 6, if I could introduce 
        7      and identify interveners, associations and 
        8      agencies, et cetera, which have intervention, but 
        9      who have expressed a desire to speak at the 
       10      hearing, and I think that's already been done.  It 
       11      has already been done, so okay. 
       12            The next item I would like to move on to is 
       13      motions and objections.  Are there any objections 
       14      to this hearing?  Mr. Tilleman?
       15      BILL TILLEMAN:               Thank you, Mr. 
       16      Chairman. 
       17            We have all noticed by now that we have tried 
       18      to teleconference Mr. Hanson, who is the 
       19      vice-president of the Board.  And we will continue 
       20      to try to do that to ensure that he hears these 
       21      proceedings.  In the event that we are not 
       22      successful with that, Mr. Chairman, we would 
       23      propose that if he is to sign the decision, he will 
       24      read all of the transcript before doing that, and 
       25      that's our proposal.  And, Mr. Chairman, I think if 
       26      you might just ask the parties if that works for 

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        1      them; if there is any objections to that process, 
        2      then they can come forward now. 
        3      CHAIRMAN:               Maybe I will ask the 
        4      applicant first if they have got any objections to 
        5      that.
        6      BILL HEATH:             No objections, Mr. 
        7      Chairman.
        8      CHAIRMAN:               Pardon me?
        9      BILL HEATH:             No objections.
       10      CHAIRMAN:               DIAND? 
       11      CARL McLEAN:            No objections.
       12      CHAIRMAN:               Environment Canada? 
       13      COLETTE MELOCHE:        No objections.
       14      CHAIRMAN:               NTI?
       15      GEORGE HAKONGAK:        No objections.
       16      CHAIRMAN:               DFO? 
       17      DERRECK MOGGY:          No objections. 
       18      CHAIRMAN:               Hamlet? 
       19      NIORE IQALUKJUAK:       No objections. 
       20      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  So it will be 
       21      issuing -- GN? 
       22      SUSAN HARDY:            No objections. 
       23      CHAIRMAN:               I'm sorry, you are out of 
       24      my view there.  Anybody else?  Are there any 
       25      objections from the general public?  No objections.  
       26      That's that. 

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        1            Is that to your satisfaction, Bill?
        2      BILL TILLEMAN:          Yes. 
        3      CHAIRMAN:               I don't recall, but I will 
        4      ask this once more, are there any objections to 
        5      this public hearing?  Okay.  One more time, are 
        6      there any objections to this public hearing?  No 
        7      objections. 
        8            And, by the way, there is legal counsel.  If 
        9      you can advise your role, provide confirmation and 
       10      also the oath.  Explain the oath, please. 
       11      BILL TILLEMAN:          Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  
       12      It is just basically before the parties give their 
       13      presentation, then I would refer to the Board's 
       14      rules are that they be sworn.  So if, when we come 
       15      to the applicant next and the interveners and so 
       16      on, those parties will just have to swear or affirm 
       17      their evidence, and that's all we call it. 
       18      CHAIRMAN:               By the way -- thank you, 
       19      Mr. Tilleman.  By the way, I was reminded to inform 
       20      everybody that whoever uses the microphone, we are 
       21      to shut off the switch in order to conserve 
       22      batteries; otherwise, you know, it takes forever to 
       23      recharge the batteries. 
       24            Okay.  Number 8 there, I would ask the 
       25      applicant to make their presentation.  That's item 
       26      number 8, presentation by the applicant.  And legal 

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        1      counsel, of course, will give the oath. 
        2      BILL TILLEMAN:          Please state your name for 
        3      the record and spell your last name. 
        4      BILL HEATH:             William Michael Heath, 
        5      H-E-A-T-H.
        6                         (WILLIAM MICHAEL HEATH SWORN)
        7      BILL TILLEMAN:          Please state your name for 
        8      the record and spell your last name.
        9      BOB CARREAU:            Robert Carreau, 
       10      C-A-R-R-E-A-U. 
       11                              (ROBERT CARREAU SWORN)
       12      BILL TILLEMAN:          Thank you.  Please state 
       13      your name for the record and spell your last name. 
       14      ERIC DENHOLM:           Eric Denholm,  
       15      D-E-N-H-O-L-M. 
       16                              (ERIC DENHOLM SWORN)
       17      BILL TILLEMAN:          Please state your name for 
       18      the record and spell your last name.
       19      MURRAY MARKLE:          Murray Markle, M-A-R-K-L-E.  
       20                              (MURRAY MARKLE SWORN)
       21      BILL TILLEMAN:          Please state your name for 
       22      the record and spell your last name.  
       23      JIM CASSIE:             Jim Cassie, C-A-S-S-I-E. 
       24                              (JIM CASSIE SWORN)
       25      BILL TILLEMAN:          Thank you.  Thank you, Mr. 
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        1      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, gentlemen.  You 
        2      may proceed. 
        3      PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT:
        4      BILL HEATH:             Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
        5            For those of you who were in attendance at 
        6      the last public meeting, I tried to cram 25 written 
        7      pages into 95 seconds.  So, apparently, I have been 
        8      demoted, and I don't get to talk very much today. 
        9            But we would like to start with an 
       10      acknowledgment and a thank you to the Board for 
       11      convening this meeting today and for convening this 
       12      meeting in such a timely fashion.  It is an 
       13      important meeting for us, and it is an important 
       14      meeting for the people of Arctic Bay.  And we 
       15      believe it is important that it happen as quickly 
       16      as we could allow. 
       17            And if we could also take this opportunity to 
       18      extend our best wishes on the birthday of the 
       19      chairman. 
       20            We also would like to thank the Elders of 
       21      Arctic Bay for welcoming us again.  There are many 
       22      familiar faces in the crowd.  From time to time, we 
       23      have had the opportunity to meet with the Elders, 
       24      and we always appreciate and enjoy those 
       25      opportunities. 
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        1      represented today and the presentations that they 
        2      will make in these proceedings.  We would like to 
        3      thank the mayor for his input and his council for 
        4      their input, as well as their attendance today.  
        5      And just as importantly, the general population of 
        6      the hamlet of Arctic Bay, all of your -- all of 
        7      your views and all of your wishes are important to 
        8      us, and it is important that we hear them, as the 
        9      Chairman has encouraged it. 
       10            And we would also like to thank the various 
       11      interveners for their input and their tolerance and 
       12      patience with us over the course of the last, I 
       13      guess,  almost two years now, as we have worked 
       14      towards this final project plan. 
       15            Just a couple of quick comments, Mr. 
       16      Chairman, and then I'm going to turn the microphone 
       17      over to my colleague, Mr. Carreau, who is going to 
       18      take us through the final plan.  The first is, and 
       19      I alluded to this earlier, there is and there 
       20      always seems to be some confusion between the 
       21      distinction of what is Breakwater Resources and 
       22      what is CanZinco Limited.  From time to time, we 
       23      tend to use them interchangeably, and we really 
       24      shouldn't.  But the reality is that the Nanisivik 
       25      Mine is owned by CanZinco Limited.  CanZinco is the 
       26      applicant in this case.  And when we are talking 

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        1      about the company, we are really talking about 
        2      CanZinco.  And I apologize to the lawyers in the 
        3      crowd in advance for the occasions where I may 
        4      refer to myself as a Breakwater employee. 
        5            My only other, sort of, housekeeping comment 
        6      would be this: When we appeared before you two 
        7      years ago, I think we said at the time that we were 
        8      coming to you with a plan, albeit at the time an 
        9      incomplete plan, which we have spent a lot of -- 
       10      and largely to Bob's credit and Bob's team's 
       11      credit, we have spent a lot of time and a lot of 
       12      effort, and, frankly, a lot of money to develop it. 
       13            But the plans we came to you with two years 
       14      ago was a plan that, I think we have said at the 
       15      time, was predicated on hoping for the best and 
       16      planning for the worst.  It was a plan that said we 
       17      hope we never have to tear down the infrastructure 
       18      at Nanisivik.  We hope we don't have to tear down 
       19      the tank farm at Nanisivik.  We hope that somebody 
       20      or some agency or some body could be found that 
       21      could put Nanisivik to another use.  And I think, 
       22      at the time, we said that with all the optimism in 
       23      the world, and I think you saw in our submission of 
       24      a month or so ago that our optimism was waning, and 
       25      I think we can come here today and say our optimism 
       26      is pretty much extinguished. 

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        1            I think we now realize that, in all 
        2      likelihood, our hoping for the best was just that, 
        3      it was hope, but it has been unfulfilled hope.  And 
        4      the reality is, at some point in the not-to-distant 
        5      future, I suspect we are going to have to grapple 
        6      with dealing with all the infrastructure of 
        7      Nanisivik. 
        8            So against that -- and I don't mean to be 
        9      pessimistic, but against that background, I would 
       10      turn it over to Bob Carreau. 
       11            Bob has a few opening comments, and then the 
       12      presentation of what, I think, appears to be an 
       13      excellent closure and reclamation plan, which we 
       14      can largely attribute to Bob and the fellows he has 
       15      had working on it. 
       16      BOB CARREAU:            Thank you.  General 
       17      comments that I would like to make before I present 
       18      the technical portion of the plan, it is just to 
       19      clarify in our minds that closure and 
       20      reclamation -- closure and reclamation of a mine, 
       21      at least in the context of what we are discussing 
       22      today, is normal and an inevitable process of 
       23      mining. 
       24            And like many businesses where closure often 
       25      means failure, closure of a mine is, in fact, a 
       26      measure of success.  It means that you have gone 

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        1      through all the stages of a mine, and you have 
        2      reached closure and reclamation, at least a plan in 
        3      closure plan and reclamation.  If you didn't do 
        4      that, you would be doing abandonment, and that's 
        5      not the case with Nanisivik.  We have reached this 
        6      final stage, closure and reclamation, it is a 
        7      measure of success.  So with that being said, it is 
        8      appropriate for us to introduce our presentation 
        9      with a reclamation and closure plan, with some 
       10      discussion about the success in Nanisivik. 
       11            Nanisivik operated for more than 25 years.  
       12      It was originally approved as a 10 to 12-year 
       13      project, and it ended up operating for more than 
       14      twice its planned life expectancy.  This long life 
       15      was a result of the responsible management of the 
       16      resource which focussed on increasing of the 
       17      reserves with continued exploration efforts, as 
       18      well as the commitment to maintain feed grades at a 
       19      sustainable rate over a longer term.  Sustainable 
       20      grades means not high-grading for short-term 
       21      profit, but making it ongoing to last as long as it 
       22      can. 
       23            Now, as a shareholder, you might want to 
       24      high-grade on the land to get the most profits over 
       25      the shortest time, but the philosophy was that it 
       26      would be the maximum benefit for the employees and 

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        1      the maximum benefits for the community and the 
        2      community of Arctic Bay for this to run as long as 
        3      possible, and we did that. 
        4            In over its 25 years of operation, Nanisivik 
        5      directly provided more than 5000 man-hours of 
        6      employment in ten years, that's 250 -- that's 25 
        7      years, 200 people, that's 5000 man-hours.  
        8      Immediate/direct support employment, things like 
        9      teachers, RCMP, post office, airport, nursing 
       10      station, that's provided an additional estimated 
       11      500 man-hours. 
       12            Now, indirect employment is not being 
       13      calculated here but is considered to be very 
       14      significant, having supported a mining operation 
       15      with an average annual operating expense of $40 
       16      million per year. 
       17            Nanisivik was Canada's first mine north of 
       18      the Arctic Circle and pioneered many practices, 
       19      which paved the way for other northern 
       20      developments.  There were things that we perfected 
       21      in Nanisivik are being done in other operations 
       22      today and are only being done because they were 
       23      perfected at Nanisivik. 
       24            During the feasibility and financing stage, 
       25      many would-be supports said that obstacles imposed 
       26      by the harsh climatic conditions and the remote 

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        1      location would make the operation fail.  The proof 
        2      is in the pudding.  But despite this, the project 
        3      went ahead. 
        4            The first deepwater port in the Canadian 
        5      Arctic was built at Nanisivik.  And with the 
        6      closure of Polaris mine, it will be the only 
        7      facility of its type in Nunavut. 
        8            The first jet airport in the region was 
        9      constructed at Nanisivik, and this continues to 
       10      provide a vital transportation link between 
       11      northern locations and the south. 
       12            More than 50 kilometres of all-season roads 
       13      were built, which included a 32 kilometre link 
       14      between Arctic communities, Arctic Bay and 
       15      Nanisivik, and included a link between Arctic Bay 
       16      and the airport. 
       17            An entire townsite was built.  Not a camp, 
       18      but a townsite.  Shared accommodations, rooms for 
       19      the employees, private homes for families, both 
       20      Inuit and Southerners; a fully integrated school 
       21      teaching the first language Inuktitut, French and 
       22      English; an all-denominational church, a nursing 
       23      station, an RCMP station, a fire station, post 
       24      office, rec centre with a full gymnasium, swimming 
       25      pool.  No small task. 
       26            In what was constructed to be a physical 

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        1      townsite, a place to house mine employees and their 
        2      families, grew into a community in all sense of the 
        3      word.  Nanisivik, a place where people were mining, 
        4      became a place for people to achieve personal 
        5      objectives.  Many people got their start in 
        6      Nanisivik, they earned a handsome wage, they 
        7      learned trades or skills that they could take with 
        8      them to other projects.  People came together as a 
        9      community.  Some brought their families, had 
       10      babies, raised and schooled their children. 
       11            The gathering in the dome at lunch for 
       12      communal meals.  They participated in grand events 
       13      such as the annual Midnight Sun Marathon which ran 
       14      for more than 20 years, brought runners from all 
       15      over the world to test their skill on the roadway 
       16      between Arctic Bay and Nanisivik.  Many of you 
       17      participated in that, helping or, in fact, 
       18      participating. 
       19            Small things became cause for gatherings and 
       20      celebrations.  They gathered for school pageants, 
       21      the Christmas pageants, the Mother's Day brunch, 
       22      the spring carnival, and most importantly, the turn 
       23      of the sun in February, which was always a big 
       24      event. 
       25            Children were integrated in the school, Inuit 
       26      and Qadlunnaq.  Southern children studied culture 

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        1      inclusion in their classroom, learned how to scrape 
        2      a seal skin, sew duffel mittens, light a kudluk and 
        3      hear great stories from the Elders.  And many 
        4      adults learned the traditions of our Inuit 
        5      neighbours, and in doing so, developed a love and 
        6      respect for the land. 
        7            People came forth to Nanisivik for a few 
        8      years and stayed for 10 or 15 or even 20.  And by 
        9      these measurements, the Nanisivik project was a 
       10      success, and we shouldn't forget that. 
       11            Now, as we enter the final stage of the 
       12      project, we culminate the success with the closure 
       13      of the mine and the townsite.  Closing a mine is 
       14      never a happy event.  And in the case of Nanisivik 
       15      where this means the community will cease to exist, 
       16      it is that much harder.  However, as stated at the 
       17      outset of this introduction, the closure of the 
       18      mine is inevitable, and planned reclamation, it is 
       19      the final milestone of that achievement. 
       20            So as stated by Bill, we are going to go 
       21      ahead with the presentation of the plan now, so you 
       22      will see what we have been up to for the last two 
       23      years since we were sitting here and discussing the 
       24      conceptual plan. 
       25            My presentation today is specifically for the 
       26      Nunavut Water Board and for the hamlet of Arctic 

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        1      Bay.  Our technical interveners have been 
        2      cooperative, we have been working together, and we 
        3      have been spending a lot of time over the last two 
        4      years exchanging correspondence or sitting down at 
        5      a table and working out the technical issues, so 
        6      they know what's -- what I'm about to present here, 
        7      they have heard it several times, but I think this 
        8      may be the first time that you will hear in detail, 
        9      and sufficient detail to get a graphic grasp of 
       10      what we intend to do. 
       11            The closure plan is actually twelve reports 
       12      in all.  It is 11 individual technical reports, and 
       13      they all feed into one support summary.  I have the 
       14      reports in front of me here, and as I speak to each 
       15      one, and I will -- these are translated into 
       16      Inuktitut.  The executive summaries are available 
       17      in Inuktitut, and I hope you have seen them.  And 
       18      the records are available in their entirety.  If 
       19      you want a copy, we have CDs here, and I would be 
       20      happy to share that with anybody after the 
       21      presentation. 
       22            These are the 12 reports.  The numbers on the 
       23      left are the license items, these were requirements 
       24      of the license.  G3 is considered the reclamation 
       25      and closure plan, the compilation of everything.  
       26      G4 is the engineering design of the surface 

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        1      reclamation covers.  I will explain each one of 
        2      these as I go through them.  G5 is the assessment 
        3      of the surface cell and test cell taliks.  G6 is 
        4      the quarry development and reclamation plan.  G7 is 
        5      the engineering design of the West Twin Dike 
        6      spillway. 
        7            How is the speed, Mishak, okay?  I guess so.
        8            G8 is the rock piles and open pits closure 
        9      plan. G9 is the reclamation performance monitoring 
       10      plan.  G13 is the phase 2 and phase 3 environmental 
       11      site assessment.  G14 is the Human Health and 
       12      Ecological Risk Assessment.  G15 is the West Twin 
       13      disposal area closure plan.  G16 is the underground 
       14      mine waste disposal plan. G17 is the landfill 
       15      closure plan. 
       16            How is that for a complicated-looking 
       17      schematic?  What that means -- that's each of the 
       18      12 reports, and what we are showing there is that 
       19      they all come together at the bottom in the 
       20      reclamation and closure plan.  What we are trying 
       21      to show is that each of these proposal parts are 
       22      funneled together into the one plan.  So if you 
       23      were to read just one plan, the last plan, you 
       24      would get an idea of what it is we intend to do.  
       25      If you wanted the specific details of that, you 
       26      would have to read one of the constituent reports. 

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        1            It is unlikely I have to tell the people from 
        2      Arctic Bay, but it is always good to start with 
        3      what it is exactly we are talking about, the 
        4      location and the boundaries of Nanisivik and the 
        5      terms, reclamation and closure. 
        6            The Nanisivik site, as we refer to it, is 
        7      bound on the north by Strathcona Sound and on the 
        8      south by West Twin Lakes.  This is the area of 
        9      influence, on the west by the stol port and the 
       10      landfill site, and on the east by Kuhulu Lake and 
       11      Oceanview. 
       12            Now, the natural boundaries are the 
       13      topography of the area, the ocean rising up to 400 
       14      metres by the lakes.  So everything from the lakes 
       15      is flowing down towards the ocean.  And on the 
       16      east-hand side or the east side by Kuhulu Lake, we 
       17      have a high ridge of hills, as anybody knows, that 
       18      goes to Kuhulu Lake.  And there is a watershed, 
       19      Chris Creek, and that's the eastern edge of the 
       20      watershed.  And on the west side, there is also 
       21      steep cliffs, on top of which the stol port is 
       22      located, that binds the property on that boundary. 
       23            I paid a lot of money for these reports, so 
       24      I'm going to pick every one of them up and show it 
       25      to you.  This report was developed by BGC 
       26      Engineering, it is the quarry development and 

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        1      reclamation plan.  And what this report talks about 
        2      is the quarries, first off, are the sources for the 
        3      natural materials used for reclamation. 
        4            At Nanisivik, we are not going to use 
        5      synthetic materials; we are not going to use 
        6      engineering materials that are not natural.  What 
        7      we are using is what we find on the land to try and 
        8      duplicate the processes that occur naturally.  
        9      That's the most successful plan for long term. 
       10            And the two materials that we are going to be 
       11      talking about from quarrying are shale, which is 
       12      what we are going to be using for an insulating 
       13      layer and sand and gravel, which is surface 
       14      protection against the elements. 
       15            We had a request from Arctic Bay to bring 
       16      some of this material, and we have done so.  And 
       17      during the intervention portion of our 
       18      presentation, Jim Cassie is going to be speaking 
       19      about these materials and be showing you exactly 
       20      what it is. 
       21            A report addresses the following questions:  
       22      Where are the quarries?  How much material will be 
       23      removed?  And how will the quarries be left after 
       24      removing the material in the long term?  What are 
       25      they? 
       26            Well, the development plans in this report 

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        1      are for three major shale quarries.  I have a 
        2      little plan I will show you on the next page.  
        3      There is Mt. Fuji, West Twin and East Twin 
        4      quarries, that's where we intend on taking the 
        5      majority of the material.  There is also a sand and 
        6      gravel quarry, that's in between East and West Twin 
        7      Lakes, and that's for the armouring material, the 
        8      top material.  And there is also the landfill 
        9      quarry, to the lesser extent, and it will be used 
       10      exclusively for the landfill, for what is commonly 
       11      known as the dump. 
       12            So those of you that are familiar with the 
       13      sites, you can see the East and West Twin Lakes.  I 
       14      wish I had a pointer.  But in between East and West 
       15      Twin Lake, there is an unlabelled rock which is, in 
       16      fact, the sand and gravel quarry.  Okay, see that?  
       17      The other quarries that we are speaking of are the 
       18      West Twin Dike or West Twin dam area, West Twin 
       19      disposal area quarry, which is where we hope to get 
       20      a lot of the material at the surface cell, the Mt. 
       21      Fuji quarry, which is just east of that -- west of 
       22      that, which we hope to get a lot of material for 
       23      the surface cell, and the East Twin quarry down by 
       24      East Twin Lake, where we will be hauling product 
       25      material to the surface cell and the test cells 
       26      that are

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        1      there. 
        2            The landfill quarry is the other one I spoke 
        3      of.  We will be taking you through all the 
        4      landfills.  We may take some minor amounts from 
        5      these other quarries, but they are insignificant.  
        6      They are to be amounts we are taking from the first 
        7      three. 
        8            How much material?  Well, we are talking 
        9      about 1 million cubic metres of material.  That's 
       10      about 60,000 truckloads, so to do that, we expect 
       11      that's going to take us about two years to do that.  
       12      And we have identified -- in case there are 
       13      contingencies, we have identified approximately 
       14      twice that amount of material, so there is lots of 
       15      this stuff available. 
       16            What about after we have taken it out?  Well, 
       17      this plan shows what the quarries will look like 
       18      during the operation.  There is drawings in here.  
       19      And generally the areas will be contoured so that 
       20      it will try and look like what the natural ground 
       21      looks like.  It won't be a big hole in the ground, 
       22      it will just be smoothed over.  The material that 
       23      will be taken out will be more of a shallow ditch, 
       24      and it will be contoured so that it doesn't hold 
       25      water, and drainage, natural drainage is restored. 
       26            The next report was also put together by BGC 

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        1      Engineering.  And I should say these were all 
        2      collaborative efforts.  This is the team, and a lot 
        3      of support from people both at Breakwater, 
        4      CanZinco, at the Nanisivik Mine, and their 
        5      organizations worked on these as well. 
        6            This report is the test cell and the test 
        7      cell taliks; it addresses what taliks are.  I 
        8      didn't know what taliks were three years ago; I 
        9      hadn't even heard of them.  Perhaps some of you 
       10      haven't either.  Where they are in Nanisivik, how 
       11      they can cause problems, how we can expect them to 
       12      behave, how we monitor to confirm how we expect 
       13      them to behave and what the contingencies are. 
       14            So here is Talik 101.  Talik is an unfrozen 
       15      layer occurring within permafrost zones.  So at 
       16      Nanisivik, we have this, we obviously don't have 
       17      this, we don't have the trees, but we are more like 
       18      the area over here on the left-hand side of the 
       19      screen.  We have continuous permafrost that extends 
       20      between 400 and 600 metres, and we would expect 
       21      that we would have an open talik or maybe a through 
       22      talik, which is an unfrozen area beneath the lake, 
       23      beneath West Twin Lake.  There is an -- sorry.  
       24      Beneath West Twin Lakes, there is an unfrozen area, 
       25      and we would be moving a little bit more over to 
       26      this area, although we won't have the bog.  But 

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        1      there would be frozen material on top of West Twin 
        2      Lake when we are finished our restoration and 
        3      closure.  So this then will become a closed talik.  
        4      It may be open at the bottom, we are not sure, but 
        5      this is what we are concerned about here, is this 
        6      small jelly doughnut, unfrozen material. 
        7            Where are these?  They are going to be 
        8      underneath or they are now underneath the surface 
        9      cell and underneath the test cell.  They are also 
       10      underneath the reservoir portion of the lake, but 
       11      it really doesn't matter because that will stay 
       12      natural. 
       13            There was a talik there before, there will be 
       14      a talik there after.  It is only if you cover the 
       15      top of it that it becomes an issue with the 
       16      long-term stability. 
       17            Now, how can the taliks cause problems?  
       18      Well, as the surface freezes above the talik, then 
       19      pressure will form inside it.  And this pressure 
       20      could be released upwards and crack the surface 
       21      that we put, or it could apply pressure on the dam 
       22      and maybe crack that or heave that, or it could 
       23      squeeze tailings water out to the surface or in the 
       24      reservoir.  So we know that, and we plan for that, 
       25      and we mitigate against that happening. 
       26            So how do we predict the behavior?  Well, we 

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        1      drill into the two tailings areas, 49 holes in 
        2      2002, and then another 44 holes in 2002 and 2003.  
        3      And some of you know about those because you were 
        4      involved in assisting us.  When we talk about 
        5      drilling holes, it is the diamond drilling rig, so 
        6      it is a big piece of equipment, and it takes a 
        7      couple of men to operate and a couple of men to 
        8      support.  And inside, in each of these holes, we 
        9      installed instruments that measured the ground 
       10      temperature, the pressure, and you also collected 
       11      water samples at depths and the behaviour.  And 
       12      then we monitored the instruments regularly, and 
       13      our experts provided both of these, interpreted the 
       14      information and predicted the behavior.  We 
       15      predicted the rate of freezing, the pressures and 
       16      the water releases. 
       17            So what are the findings and the predictions?  
       18      Well, approximately 30 percent of the surface cell 
       19      is thawed underneath, and 25 percent of the test 
       20      cell tailings are thawed. 
       21            We estimate it is going to take seven to 
       22      eight years for the surface cell talik to freeze to 
       23      the depth of the Dike, and that's a significant 
       24      milestone.  In seven to eight years, once it is 
       25      frozen down to the bottom of the Dike, that really 
       26      eliminates a lot of the potential risk.  We take a 

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        1      further 19 to 25 years to freeze solid, but it 
        2      really doesn't matter in that time frame.  If you 
        3      have predicted what the water quality is going to 
        4      be like, then you can plan for that, as we have 
        5      done.  So the bottom line is the last bullet, there 
        6      is no negative impacts expected from the 
        7      freeze-back of the talik. 
        8            How are we going to determine this?  Well, we 
        9      are going to continue to monitor.  We have been 
       10      monitoring at West Twin for geothermal properties 
       11      since 1990, and we will continue to monitor with 
       12      these new installations.  We are going to check the 
       13      progress and the behavior of this talik 
       14      freeze-back.  And we are going to continue to check 
       15      that throughout the recommendation period and for a 
       16      minimum of five years after, for a minimum of five 
       17      years after. 
       18            The contingency plans are if cracks or heaves 
       19      occur on the surface, they will be repaired.  It is 
       20      that straightforward.  Excessive pressures would be 
       21      relieved.  If there was excessive pressures, those 
       22      are -- that's not predicted, but if that did occur, 
       23      it could be relieved by drilling and draining, 
       24      getting the water out.  And possibly we may have to 
       25      do more frequent -- monitor for more variables or 
       26      monitor for a longer period of time if behavior was 

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        1      different than we expect. 
        2            The next report is the design of the surface 
        3      reclamation covers, also put together by BGC.  The 
        4      covers, as you know, are required over the 
        5      tailings, over the waste rock, over the open pits 
        6      and the landfill, and this will eliminate negative 
        7      impacts from these materials.  There is a photo 
        8      there showing shale that has been placed over 
        9      tailings so far to control dust. 
       10            Now, this report presents results from the 
       11      laboratory and from field testing for selected 
       12      cover materials.  It provides the grading plans, 
       13      the drawings for the surface drainage with surface 
       14      and test cells.  It provides a geochemical 
       15      characterization of shale and the tailings and how 
       16      we predict they will behave, and it considers 
       17      global warming predictions and extreme-temperature 
       18      events, and those are different things. 
       19            Now, the cover design was verified through 
       20      the test pad covers.  And we looked at the first 
       21      test pad at Area 14 in 1988.  We monitored these, 
       22      we monitored them.  In fact, we continue to monitor 
       23      them.  But the ones that are used for our modelling 
       24      are from 1988 to 1997.  You can see them there.  
       25      There is a test cover 1 on land and test cover 2 on 
       26      the land that provided the most amount of 

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        1      information, and they verified that shale cover 
        2      prevented thaw from entering the tailings.  So 
        3      that's -- the only portion that thawed was the 
        4      shale, and it only thawed, it only thawed so far.  
        5      The tailings never thawed. 
        6            So in the tailings cover, our field test 
        7      shows that thaw depths in test cell 1 averaged .92 
        8      metres.  So we considered the extreme warming 
        9      event, which is classified as a 1-in-100-year 
       10      event.  And we also considered Environment Canada's 
       11      high estimate of global warming, not the average 
       12      estimate or the moderate or the low case, but the 
       13      high estimate.  And this determined the final cover 
       14      depth of tailings of 1.25 metres.  We are very 
       15      confident, based on monitoring these things for all 
       16      those years and adding this big contingency, that 
       17      that will be sufficient to keep the negative impact 
       18      from occurring. 
       19            Now, the waste rock landfill, open pits, mill 
       20      slab covers are a little bit different than the 
       21      tailings cover, because they have different 
       22      properties.  We are not talking about -- at the 
       23      mill, we are talking about very -- or the tailings, 
       24      we are talking about very fine-grained material 
       25      that is saturated.  In these areas, we are talking 
       26      about coarse material, waste rock, demolition 

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        1      degree, that sort of thing.  So we feel verified in 
        2      another case, and this is the best way to do these.  
        3      Not modelling, but if you can test this in the 
        4      field, as we were able to do for seven years, and 
        5      determine that that's the way to go, you are not 
        6      guessing with your model, you are confirming the 
        7      modelling that that's what you are going to do.
        8            So we built the field, the test pad in Area 
        9      14 in 1988, and the instrument -- instrumented it 
       10      and monitored it regularly.  And the same warming 
       11      estimates were applied, global warming, 1 in 100, 
       12      high estimate or worst-case situation, and we came 
       13      up with a number of 2.2 metres for those areas. 
       14            Now, the depth difference between the 
       15      tailings and the waste covers is, as I said, 
       16      related to the physical properties, the material 
       17      size and the saturation issue.  So the plan, this 
       18      plan includes the cover construction recipe, and 
       19      what I mean by that, the method of how we will 
       20      apply it, what the material would look like.  It 
       21      has to be a certain size, a certain type, it has to 
       22      be a certain density when it is put in and how you 
       23      put it in.  The application of this has to be 
       24      controlled.  So it includes methods of ensuring the 
       25      recipe is followed and the method is controlled.  
       26      It includes a monitoring program to continue to 

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        1      assess the cover performance after instruction.  
        2      And it includes contingency plans, the what-if 
        3      plans; a big what if.  
        4            The next report is put together by Goulder 
        5      Associates (phonetic) with input from BGC and the 
        6      team.  It is the West Twin Dike spillway.  The -- I 
        7      want to see the animation.  There is the spillway 
        8      coming in, the arrows.  That's where the spillway 
        9      is going to be.  And this report is all about that, 
       10      how do you build a spillway, how did you place a 
       11      spillway, how did you decide what type of spillway, 
       12      the size, the storm event, it is in here. 
       13            And we considered four different pathways, we 
       14      just didn't pick that one.  We came up with four 
       15      and found one that had the best long-term 
       16      stability.  We made investigations on ground 
       17      conditions to make sure that as you excavate this, 
       18      you are not getting into an area of ice or loose 
       19      material.  You have to be in -- hopefully in 
       20      bedrock or a stable material.  And the pathway that 
       21      we chose and the majority of the channel bottom in 
       22      bedrock.  The channel is 574 metres long, it is a 
       23      big structure. 
       24            And this plan also includes the contingencies 
       25      and monitoring.  Now, the spillway is designed for 
       26      flooding.  If we get some huge flood, some huge 

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        1      snow melt, some huge precipitation event, it is 
        2      something called the PMP, the Probable Maximum 
        3      Precipitation event.  And it is an event that is 
        4      barely imaginable.  It is defined as -- this is one 
        5      of my favorite definitions -- an event that is 
        6      barely imaginable.  So it is a -- you can't design 
        7      this thing for any stronger event.  Down south, you 
        8      may design -- because we have at some other mines 
        9      for 1-in-1000-year event or 1-in-100-year event.  
       10      And this is for the largest event that has been 
       11      designed. 
       12            The result and channel width is 6 metres, and 
       13      the spillway will be -- continued to be monitored 
       14      throughout the closure monitoring period.  But we 
       15      will make sure that it is performing. 
       16            The next plan is the West Twin disposal area 
       17      plan, it is the closure plan for the West Twin.  It 
       18      is a culmination basically of these, or a 
       19      compilation of these other four plans that we have 
       20      discussed already, and it brings together these 
       21      components that we have talked about for quarry 
       22      development, where you are going to get the 
       23      material, the talik investigation, how we ensure 
       24      that what's thawed and how it is going to behave.  
       25      The cover design, how you are going to cover it, 
       26      and the spillway and how you are going to convey 

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        1      the water, these were covered in here as well as a 
        2      few new elements. 
        3            It considers the water cover on the reservoir 
        4      portion, how we are going to protect the shoreline, 
        5      how we are going to breach or break the Dikes that 
        6      are already there, the ones that we don't want to 
        7      be there after closure.  The West Twin outlet, how 
        8      water will be released; the East Twin discharge 
        9      channel, how water will be released and will 
       10      continue to be stable in that channel, and the 
       11      general water quality predictions, those are 
       12      contained in here.  And this also includes 
       13      contingencies in monitoring. 
       14            Now, the elements of the plan, just briefly, 
       15      are the surface cell thermal cover, the test cell 
       16      thermal cover, the spillway, the shoreline 
       17      remediation, the reservoir water cover, the East 
       18      Lake diversion and the outlet structure. 
       19            Now, that plan, the discharge water quality 
       20      discussion has come up, and it was raised by the 
       21      mayor of the hamlet council, and we will address 
       22      that in our intervention.  But briefly here, during 
       23      operations, water treatment was not required at 
       24      Nanisivik, and we wouldn't expect water treatment 
       25      now that we have stopped putting tailings in 
       26      Nanisivik, and back during the first year of 

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        1      closure it wasn't.  We have done tests on fish, 
        2      tests called acute lethality, and it passes.  And 
        3      what that is, is you take the water that comes 
        4      directly, the undiluted water that's released from 
        5      the lake, and you introduce ten fish, and you 
        6      monitor those fish over a 96-hour period.  And this 
        7      is a test that is done commonly in mines, and it is 
        8      now, in fact, required in the new mining metal 
        9      effluent regulations.  And the fish always 
       10      survived. 
       11            Now, we expect the water quality is going to 
       12      improve after reclamation, and it will stabilize 
       13      quite close to what the background levels were  
       14      before we came to Nanisivik.  The water quality in 
       15      the lake will be similar to when we leave 
       16      Nanisivik. 
       17            Performance monitoring will continue 
       18      throughout the closure monitoring period and will 
       19      be reported to the Nunavut Water Board and will be 
       20      available for review by the people of Arctic Bay.  
       21      All of this information is public information; it 
       22      is your information and Water Board information. 
       23            And the contingency plan is identified to 
       24      address non-performance issues, those are in here, 
       25      the what-if question.  What if this happened, and 
       26      it will say. 

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        1            The next plan is the rock piles and open pits 
        2      closure plan.  This plan was put together by 
        3      Gartner Lee.  It describes the reclamation work for 
        4      the rock piles and open pits.  It deals 
        5      specifically with waste rock.  And waste rock is 
        6      rock that is not ore grade, and that's rock that we 
        7      didn't want in the mill.  I think I mentioned 
        8      before is when you go in to dig out the hole to get 
        9      at the ore, the material that you pull out to get 
       10      out of your way is what is waste rock, and that's 
       11      piled at the portals when we enter the mine.  It is 
       12      going to be relocated underground, put back 
       13      underground, or it is going to be used as backfill 
       14      in the open pits.  And if it is used as backfill in 
       15      the open pits, it will be consolidated and covered 
       16      with a 2.2 metre thick cover, and it will be a 
       17      stable slope, something called a 3 to 1 slope, 
       18      which is considered stable. 
       19            The open pits, where there is also some rock 
       20      that should be -- that has to be dealt with, some 
       21      waste rock, these will be backfilled and covered.  
       22      We will be covering the sulphide, the material that 
       23      contains chemicals or could generate acid rock 
       24      drainage, these will be covered.  And the waste 
       25      rock in the pits will freeze. 
       26            Now, this is a photo of the west adit area, 

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        1      so you can get an idea of where it is that we are 
        2      talking about when we talk about the west open pit 
        3      and the west adit area.  This is the area that you 
        4      see when you come down the hill from Fuji into 
        5      Nanisivik.  When you look across and you see the 
        6      openings in the mine, this is the west open pit and 
        7      the west adit area.  And this material is being 
        8      reclaimed now and being drawn back into the pit or 
        9      into the portal and will be covered.  Anything 
       10      evident at surface will be covered. 
       11            This is the east open pits when you are going 
       12      around to Kuhulu Lake.  There is a small vertical 
       13      wall face with some exposed sulfides in there that 
       14      will also be covered. 
       15            This is the K baseline portal area, and it is 
       16      the last mining area that you see when you are 
       17      going into Kuhulu Lake on your left.  There is a 
       18      small portal there, and there is some remnant waste 
       19      rock there, that waste rock will be picked up and 
       20      put in the open pit.  Anything left there will be 
       21      covered in place. 
       22            The waste -- the rock piles and open pits 
       23      plan has something called a QAQC, that is 
       24      construction -- quality assurance and quality 
       25      control plan, and that's in here.  We have steps to 
       26      ensure that however we cover the pits, that that 

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        1      recipe is followed.  And we have monitoring.  
        2      Again, we are going to put instruments in there, we 
        3      are going to measure ground temperature, we collect 
        4      water samples, and we are going to inspect for 
        5      erosion and physical stability for years to come.  
        6      And that's part of the -- and there is a 
        7      contingency plan as well, things aren't behaving as 
        8      they are supposed to, then we have a contingency 
        9      plan in place. 
       10            How are we doing, Mr. Chair?  Are we doing 
       11      okay? 
       12            The next plan is the landfill quilter 
       13      (phonetic) plan, and this describes the closure 
       14      plan for the landfill.  What we are going to do is 
       15      relocate some of the soil from the landfarming 
       16      cell, which has got oil contamination, and we are 
       17      going to put that underground.  And we are going to 
       18      reslope the existing dump, the landfill, just so we 
       19      have positive drainage, and then we are going to 
       20      put -- place a cover on this now.  And the waste 
       21      will freeze and will immobilize the contaminants. 
       22            Here is a photo of the Nanisivik landfill.  
       23      And water quality and soil samples that we have 
       24      taken today before the thing is closed, before -- 
       25      while it still has an open face, samples that we 
       26      have collected to date show no contamination.  We 

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        1      expect this will only improve as we close it. 
        2            Again, inside here there is a quality control 
        3      plan for construction, there is a monitoring plan 
        4      that will continue throughout the reclamation and 
        5      closure of monitoring periods.  We will measure for 
        6      ground temperature, water quality, erosion and 
        7      physical stability.  And there is a contingency 
        8      plan of what ifs, our answer to them. 
        9            The next plan is the -- or report is the 
       10      phase 2 and phase 3 environmental site assessment.  
       11      This report was put together by Gartner Lee 
       12      Associates.  And the purpose behind this is to 
       13      identify what contaminants are in the soil after 
       14      you have finished mining and where are they and 
       15      what are the concentrations, how much is in there, 
       16      and how much actually contaminated soil is there, 
       17      that's identified in here. 
       18            And there was a two-year program.  We did 
       19      work in 2002, which was considered phase 2, and we 
       20      did work in 2003.  The phase 2 report, which was 
       21      the basis of the phase 3, was conditionally 
       22      approved by the Nunavut Water Board.  Phase 3 is 
       23      before the Water Board right now. 
       24            Now, the methods that we use for an ESA, an 
       25      environmental site assessment, are a standard 
       26      approach.  This is what you do at -- this is the 

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        1      approach that you would do for any ESA, and then it 
        2      has to be specifically tuned for the site.  So it 
        3      is the same type of procedure that you would do at 
        4      a gas station or a laundromat, but it is different, 
        5      obviously, because there is different contaminants, 
        6      then you have to tune in for the site.  So it was 
        7      tuned specifically for our site, that some of that 
        8      requires reviewing all the documents that were at 
        9      the site, the soil samples, taking soil samples, 
       10      digging test pits and collecting groundwater 
       11      seepage. 
       12            Mr. Chair, do you want me to stop to 
       13      acknowledge a question or carry on?
       14      CHAIRMAN:               Yes, please, there is a 
       15      question down there.  You have a question?
       16      TOMMY TATTATUAPIK:      I'm Tommy Tattatuapik.  I 
       17      want to take a break, the interpreter -- take a 
       18      short break. 
       19      CHAIRMAN:               Okay.  There was a bit of a 
       20      difference in dialect there.  I finally got it.  
       21      The interpreter, let's give the interpreter a 
       22      break, a 15-minute break.  
       23                              (RECESSED AT 2:32 P.M.) 
       24                              (RECONVENED AT 2:54 P.M.)  
       25      CHAIRMAN:               We will get back in your 
       26      seat, please, and we will reconvene. 

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        1            First of all, we apologize, we are short in 
        2      the translator's equipment.  We will make an 
        3      apology here with regards to the hearing aids.  We 
        4      are running short of them because some of the 
        5      batteries keep dying on them.  Please accept our 
        6      sincere apologies, there is not much what we can do 
        7      about it. 
        8            Okay.  Mr. Carreau, continue, please.
        9      BOB CARREAU:            All right.  We were talking 
       10      about the phase 2, phase 3 ESA.  And just to wind 
       11      up that discussion, that the findings of the report 
       12      or the results of that ESA program is that it 
       13      identifies where there is contaminated soil, how 
       14      much contaminated soil is there and what the 
       15      concentration is.  That's contained in this report, 
       16      and there are several plans that are delineated so 
       17      you can look at it and get an idea of the areas 
       18      that we are building in. 
       19            The next report is the Human Health and 
       20      Ecological Risk Assessments.  I believe many of the 
       21      people from Arctic Bay are aware of this study.  
       22      Patrick Duxbury and myself and Murray were here, 
       23      and we made a presentation on behalf of the Nunavut 
       24      Water Board explaining what had gone on to that 
       25      date, until that date.  And also many of the 
       26      people, or some of the people in Arctic Bay were 

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        1      involved in a community survey portion of this 
        2      study.  This study was put together by a firm that 
        3      is not here, it is Jay Swicher & Associates 
        4      (phonetic), they are from southern Canada. 
        5            Our purpose of the Human Health and 
        6      Ecological Risk Assessment is shown in two photos 
        7      really.  It is an assessment to make sure that 
        8      there is no effects on either people or on the 
        9      ecosystem, on bunnies and other -- the 
       10      environmental effect.  So it answers what are the 
       11      clean-up objectives of the soils.  The ESA that we 
       12      just saw identified, with the concentration of 
       13      contaminants in the soil, the HHERA identifies what 
       14      level can be left that there will be no negative 
       15      impact. 
       16            So the studies initiated in 2002 by experts 
       17      in risk assessment, Dr. Malcolm Stevenson and Dr. 
       18      David Ray (phonetic), and it included a community 
       19      survey which I spoke of, and this was -- we used 
       20      the input from experts from Arctic Bay.  And you 
       21      are the experts when it comes to identifying what 
       22      the land use is and what the value of the equipment 
       23      components are.  The people filled out the survey 
       24      and used that information to continue the survey. 
       25            From the results, we identified a number of 
       26      chemicals of concerns, and we -- and the importance 

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        1      to provide is a number.  A concentration, that's 
        2      what that number is, it is a soil concentration at 
        3      which no detrimental effect is expected.  No 
        4      negative impact is expected because soil is coming 
        5      in to a certain level, humans or environment.  And 
        6      that's really what is critical to this study. 
        7            This table is where those numbers were, but 
        8      as you can see -- and I don't think those numbers 
        9      mean a great deal to many people, including myself.  
       10      But what is critical to me is that there is no 
       11      impact once you have soil quality in these numbers, 
       12      and that's what the Nanisivik plan includes, 
       13      getting the soil concentration below these levels. 
       14            So after extensive review, in collaboration 
       15      again with all the other shareholders and 
       16      stakeholders, including yourself, the report was 
       17      approved by the Nunavut Water Board in its 
       18      introductory phase. 
       19            The next report is the waste disposal plan.  
       20      The waste disposal plan was put together by Mr. 
       21      Markle from the mine site.  Murray is the mine 
       22      engineer, and he is familiar with the underground, 
       23      and he is very familiar with the site.  With the 
       24      report, itself, describes the plans for on-site 
       25      disposal of waste materials.  It talks about three 
       26      major components are: Abandoned equipment, things 

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        1      like loaders or pumps, and it be cleaned, if 
        2      necessary, and put underground.  Demolition debris, 
        3      which is things like bricks or cement or housing 
        4      frames or structural steel.  These are considered 
        5      inert solids, and they will be put underground.  
        6      And soil, and that soil that's contaminated with 
        7      either metals or hydrocarbons, and these 
        8      hydrocarbons are what stems from there. 
        9            Hazardous materials such as PCBs, which I did 
       10      mention, or used batteries will be shipped off-site 
       11      for disposal. 
       12            Materials for on-site disposal will be placed 
       13      in the underground mine or the west pit where it 
       14      will freeze.  And more than twice the storage space 
       15      is required -- is available.  So we have twice as 
       16      much as what is required as a contingency. 
       17            All the materials have been listed in the one 
       18      table in this report, so you can have a look and 
       19      see what the waste type is with the volume, what 
       20      that type of material is and where it is going to 
       21      be disposed of. 
       22            These are just some pictograms that Murray 
       23      put together that show underground how we would 
       24      dispose of the material.  In the mine cavity, it 
       25      would be, for example, trucks would be dumping into 
       26      the benched areas, areas that have been mined, and 

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        1      then crawling equipment would push the material 
        2      back in the cavity.  Or else it would just be open 
        3      dumps in the various areas where you wouldn't 
        4      bother pushing them because there is lots of space. 
        5            This plan includes an assessment of the 
        6      long-term physical instability of the mine, what 
        7      happens after we leave.  And this assessment was 
        8      done by a senor scientist/engineer that works for 
        9      Kamet (phonetic).  And he stated that the risks are 
       10      very low, that the risks of physical instability 
       11      are very low. 
       12            This assessment is going to be updated and 
       13      reviewed in consultation with the government and 
       14      technical advisors, which people from EDA who are 
       15      advising the GN and INAC, and this will be 
       16      submitted to the Nunavut Water Board for approval. 
       17            An engineering design for sealing the mine 
       18      will follow this assessment.  And this, it is going 
       19      to be -- to the miners that are present, it will 
       20      mean something.  This is a picture of the 
       21      underground area that's included in this plan, and 
       22      it shows where each of the material types will 
       23      start and the volume amounts for each. 
       24            We are almost getting to the end.  The 
       25      monitoring plan, which is a very critical component 
       26      of the reclamation and closure plan.  It includes 

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        1      the monitoring and reporting requirements for each 
        2      of the individual topic areas, this was put 
        3      together by Gartner Lee, again in close cooperation 
        4      with myself.  There is also -- there is some 
        5      components behind all of these.  A very important 
        6      point of this one was done by Jay Swicher & 
        7      Associates, which talks about the environmental 
        8      effects monitoring in the creek. 
        9            Now, the monitoring and reporting plan deals 
       10      with water quality, ground temperature, pore 
       11      pressures, erosion, physical stability and 
       12      quarterly and annual reporting to the Nunavut Water 
       13      Board. 
       14            There is two time frames that we talk about.  
       15      We talk about during the reclamation period, where 
       16      we are going to be active at the site doing work.  
       17      We talk about the closure period, when we leave the 
       18      site but we continue to come back to do monitoring 
       19      to make sure that things are behaving as we 
       20      predicted.  And there is an annual review that will 
       21      be done each year.  We submit the report to the 
       22      Nunavut Water Board, and with it, we submit an 
       23      interpretation of the results we have been 
       24      collecting, and this will help us determine if a 
       25      site is behaving as we expect.  This will include 
       26      all the history that we have.  We have collected 

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        1      data for 25 years, so we will be able to monitor to 
        2      see if things are as stable as we predict it will 
        3      be. 
        4            And there is a gradual reduction in 
        5      monitoring, you sample less frequently, and you -- 
        6      that sample was parameters as you -- over time, 
        7      because you have collected data, and if something 
        8      is frozen and it has reached the area where you 
        9      expect it to be, you may just sample the -- you may 
       10      just monitor the one beside it.  You may not 
       11      monitor both of them anymore, because this one has 
       12      already reached the stability that it expects, so 
       13      there is a gradual reduction.  And if, at any time, 
       14      there is any indication that performance is not 
       15      proceeding as expected, then there is a 
       16      contingency, and that will include more monitoring 
       17      for a longer period or more frequently and more 
       18      parameters.  It may include additional studies as 
       19      required, and they may include remediation. 
       20            Now, here is the water monitoring locations, 
       21      and I apologize, I know this is very small, but the 
       22      pink that you see in here is all the stations that 
       23      will be -- and I believe there are about 30, there 
       24      are more than 30 stations for water quality that we 
       25      will go around during the closure plan, during the 
       26      reclamation period, and then this gradually 

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        1      decreases over the closure period. 
        2            There is ground monitoring locations in the 
        3      crustean (phonetic) area.  And this is what is 
        4      really key, is that there is something in the 
        5      license called a Comprehensive Environmental 
        6      Review, which is required by the Board in 2010.  
        7      And this will be held up against the terms of 
        8      reference that we will establish as a group, and I 
        9      expect your input would be involved in that.  We 
       10      will determine what are the results that we are 
       11      looking for to be able to say that Nanisivik has 
       12      reached stability and it is safe to leave.  So that 
       13      has to be approved before Nanisivik gives up 
       14      monitoring of the site. 
       15            And the last plan is the closure and 
       16      monitoring plan -- sorry, reclamation and closure 
       17      plan.  This was put together, again, by ourselves, 
       18      by CanZinco, by Gartner Lee.  You can see a team 
       19      again.  It is an integration of all of these plans 
       20      here, all of these come into one.  And as I said at 
       21      the beginning, if you are interested in reading one 
       22      report, if you are interested in finding out what 
       23      the concepts are in a little bit of detail, it is 
       24      in here.  There is Inuktitut translation in all of 
       25      these executive summaries in this report as well. 
       26            The overall objectives, in very general 

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        1      terms, is a return of the land to its natural 
        2      conditions.  We want to eliminate long-term care 
        3      and maintenance so that the land is stable.  And 
        4      there is a photograph there of what the townsite 
        5      looks like now.  You can see the mill, you can see 
        6      the background, and to the right, you can see what 
        7      it will look like when it is reclaimed. 
        8            And at this point, I'm going to turn the 
        9      microphone over to Eric Denholm, he is going to 
       10      speak of the reclamation schedule. 
       11            Obviously you need to plan something of this 
       12      size, this project of this complexity.  We need a 
       13      schedule so that the component parts fall into 
       14      place in sequence, so to make sure that we don't do 
       15      anything out of sequence.  You can't close the mine 
       16      before you complete demolition debris inside.  So 
       17      this -- you have a preliminary integrated 
       18      information schedule, and it shows all the 
       19      reclamation work that is going to be completed, and 
       20      that will be done by 2005. 
       21            And there are several scheduling items that 
       22      are still being finalized, but the concept is 
       23      certainly in place and would be -- there is 
       24      sufficient information for the Nunavut Water Board 
       25      to approve.  And the details that we continually 
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        1      as you recall, we had a schedule to proceed with 
        2      the hearings coming at 9 o'clock, but that was 
        3      changed to 1 o'clock.  Again, schedules change.  
        4      You adapt as you go along, that's the hallmark of a 
        5      good operation that you can adapt.
        6      ERIC DENHOLM:           Okay.  Thanks, it is Eric 
        7      Denholm speaking now. 
        8            This, of course, is too small to read, but I 
        9      didn't put it up for a reason.  This is -- just 
       10      shows the whole schedule for 2004 to 2005.  And 
       11      there are a few things, industry things that we can 
       12      see on, although you can't read any of it. 
       13            Across the top is the time, time is going 
       14      from 2004 through 2005 across the top.  And down 
       15      the left are all the individual tasks, all the 
       16      individual things that need to be done to close the 
       17      mine site.  And even at this small scale, you can 
       18      see that for some of these tasks are linked 
       19      together, so one has to be done before another.  
       20      And with this kind of schedule, this is a tool that 
       21      CanZinco can use to think about that and make sure 
       22      that as they are going forth with the reclamation 
       23      work, they can keep track of what needs to be done 
       24      and when. 
       25            For instance, if you look at this ground of 
       26      tasks here, you can see that these go in a 

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        1      sequence, one needs to be done, the next gets done 
        2      and the next gets done.  The other thing that we 
        3      can see, even at this small scale, these bars here.  
        4      This is the work for summer of 2004; a lot of the 
        5      work getting done during the winter.  There are a 
        6      few tasks that will need to be done during the 
        7      coming winter, but to a large degree, it is going 
        8      back to care and maintenance. 
        9            The summer of 2005, there is a quite a bit of 
       10      work being done again.  And at this point in time, 
       11      right here where I'm drawing my mouse down, that's 
       12      the end of September of 2005, which is scheduled to 
       13      be the date of the final shipment from the site. 
       14            Now, very quickly, because we couldn't spend 
       15      a lot of time on this, there is a lot of detail to 
       16      each one of these line items.  But very quickly, 
       17      these are the categories and some of the work items 
       18      that have been put into the schedule at this point 
       19      in time.
       20            Under the banner of Planning and Management, 
       21      some general tasks, including what we are doing 
       22      right here is approval of the plan by the Nunavut 
       23      Water Board.  Some tasks have been completed.  We 
       24      filed documents with CanZinco.  There was a 
       25      technical meeting in Yellowknife.  We are having a 
       26      hearing, and this is assumed that at some point we 

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        1      will hear back from the Water Board on findings of 
        2      the hearing. 
        3            The contractor needs to be mobilized to the 
        4      site, as per our plan.  There will be a ship 
        5      scheduled this summer, a ship, as I mentioned, the 
        6      end of next summer of 2005.  And that is linked to 
        7      the opportunities to ship hazardous materials, such 
        8      as PCBs off-site.  They will be shipped in 2004 or 
        9      2005. 
       10            There is some work to be done specifically 
       11      with the quarries and the use of quarries to be 
       12      used through this summer, and similar to 1995, 
       13      produce the material for the covers. 
       14            The work to do with reclaiming the landfill 
       15      site, the bulk of the work is scheduled to be done 
       16      this summer.  However, there will be a small area 
       17      left open so that the garbage I indicated would be 
       18      put in there.  So the final, final closure of the 
       19      little active area will be next.  But the bulk of 
       20      the work, as you can see, is scheduled to be done 
       21      in the summer of 2004. 
       22            Similarly, the rock piles and open pits seems 
       23      to be individual areas, Area 14, K Baseline, 
       24      Oceanview, east open pit.  This work is going to be 
       25      relocating, consolidating and covering waste rock 
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        1      a sequential fashion for the summer of 2004. 
        2            The west open pit, some work is this year, 
        3      but the final work of the west open pit is 
        4      scheduled in 2005, in part, because the underground 
        5      mine needs to remain open for the disposal of waste 
        6      materials.  And the west open pit, itself, could 
        7      not be full reclaimed until the underground mine is 
        8      closed. 
        9            In the West Twin disposal area, we have a 
       10      number of tasks.  You can see that some of the 
       11      initial tasks be undertaken this summer by removing 
       12      the ponded water, constructing the cover of shale 
       13      with sand and gravel through this summer and 
       14      through next summer. 
       15            The spillway from the surface cell to the 
       16      reservoir for the summer of 2005, some work in 
       17      terms of lowering water level in reservoir such 
       18      that reclamation work could proceed in that area 
       19      this summer.  And the work at East Lake in terms of 
       20      removing the structures on the road to East Lake, 
       21      that will be next summer when those facilities will 
       22      no longer be necessary. 
       23            East Adit Treatment Facility remains on a 
       24      standby status until it is no longer needed, at 
       25      which time it is also removed. 
       26            The underground mine opening will be open 

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        1      this summer.  Waste will be deposited in the 
        2      underground mine for the proposal.  Late in the 
        3      summer of 2005, the underground mine will be 
        4      permanently closed. 
        5            Reclamation of the mine site and the 
        6      contaminated soils of the mine site takes place 
        7      through this summer and next, and so the townsite. 
        8            The dock area, primarily we will have 
        9      reclamation of the dock area in 2005.  The 
       10      industrial complex, internal work in the industrial 
       11      complex for the removal of equipment and then carry 
       12      down to the business of the building itself, it 
       13      will be through this summer.  Some of that work can 
       14      continue into the winter and into next summer. 
       15            Removal of contaminated soils will proceed 
       16      after the buildings are removed in the summer of 
       17      2005.  You can see here that later this year will 
       18      be an assessment of the slab, as discussed at the 
       19      technical meeting, resulting in a refinement of the 
       20      remedial plan, as necessary, to conclude monitoring 
       21      or mediation to the slab. 
       22            Finally, under the heading of "Monitoring and 
       23      Reporting," these are items that are going on now 
       24      and will continue through the two-year reclamation 
       25      period shown here and the five-year closure period.  
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        1      screen. 
        2            So I hope that that gives you a very brief 
        3      look at the schedule.  This is a good planning tool 
        4      for CanZinco to be used to carry out their plans. 
        5      BOB CARREAU:            So this concludes our 
        6      presentation of the plan.  It is presented here for 
        7      the Nunavut Water Board and the hamlet of Arctic 
        8      Bay and other interested parties. 
        9            And the Nunavut Water Board's approval of 
       10      this plan is requested so that we can proceed with 
       11      the actual plan. 
       12            We also received on the 28th of May, and I 
       13      guess we will proceed with that presentation now. 
       14            Intervention, written interventions was 
       15      agreed at the technical meeting in Yellowknife.  We 
       16      have seen written interventions from a number of 
       17      parties, and we would like to reply to those 
       18      formally, orally now. 
       19      CHAIRMAN:               Please proceed. 
       20      APPLICANT'S RESPONSE TO WRITTEN INTERVENTION:
       21      BOB CARREAU:            As I said at the outset, 
       22      this process began in 2002 and has been very 
       23      iterative in communicating back and forth with many 
       24      of the interveners and with yourselves. 
       25            Most of the technical issues, we believe, 
       26      have been resolved, and I think that was finalized 

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        1      in Yellowknife earlier last month.  But since then, 
        2      there have been a few interventions, and we would 
        3      like to respond to these last few interventions. 
        4            What we have done is just, rather than going 
        5      through each of the letters that we have received, 
        6      is we have tried to conceptualize each of the 
        7      issues.  And the issues you see in black here is 
        8      the interveners or parties that raised these 
        9      issues.  Some of them have come, so they will have 
       10      the opportunity to respond and all of the 
       11      interveners that raised that issue. 
       12            One of the ones that came up on several 
       13      interventions, is seven years monitoring adequate?  
       14      We would like to respond to that, is that it is a 
       15      living document, and we haven't made that clear.  
       16      But our intention is, is that it will be 
       17      continuously reviewed.  But we have done a lot of 
       18      work in the last two years, a lot of engineering.  
       19      We have used a lot of site experience and feel very 
       20      confident that we can predict how the site is going 
       21      to behave. 
       22            If it behaves differently, then we will 
       23      consider monitoring the site longer.  If it behaves 
       24      as we expect, then we expect that in seven years, 
       25      we are going to be able to present the Nunavut 
       26      Water Board a final report showing that it has 

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        1      remained stable and no impacts are expected. 
        2            We have already -- since the bullet here says 
        3      here we have already been monitoring for decades.  
        4      So when it is in comparison, we feel it is not 
        5      valid to do mine sites.  The DEW Line sites, many 
        6      of these have just been cleaned up.  So we are 
        7      talking about a new process. 
        8            Nanisivik tailings have been put in the lake 
        9      for 25 years, we have been putting material in our 
       10      landfill for 25 years.  We have been monitoring it 
       11      throughout the process.  What we are doing here is 
       12      a continuation and improvement on what has been 
       13      done.  So we are not starting -- we started 25 
       14      years ago.  And we feel within the next seven 
       15      years, that will be analigated (phonetic) to 
       16      monitor on. 
       17            There is an issue raised about the concrete 
       18      foundations to be covered, and it was raised by the 
       19      hamlet and Acres and INAC.  We have made a 
       20      commitment to inspect the physical condition of two 
       21      concrete slabs and investigate if potential for 
       22      contamination is indicated below the slab.  We will 
       23      inspect the slab, if it is cracked or the places 
       24      that we have seen is cracked, we will dig, or we 
       25      will do an intrusive sampling that will allow the 
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        1      any contaminants below. 
        2            Now, if any contamination is found, then we 
        3      will have a look at what the options are for 
        4      remediating that.  Either we will treat it like 
        5      tailings, where it will be covered with enough 
        6      material to keep it frozen or a landfill where it 
        7      is covered with enough material to keep it frozen 
        8      or waste rock where it is covered in enough 
        9      material, or it will be removed. 
       10            We feel -- we would also like to point out 
       11      that by exposing the contaminants, and I believe 
       12      our technical interveners are on board with this 
       13      and agree, that exposing contaminants to the 
       14      environment, trying to move these things that are 
       15      largely benign would, in fact, introduce greater 
       16      risk. 
       17            So the mill slab and the contaminants there 
       18      will be frozen under 2.2 feet of thermal barrier 
       19      cover.  The concentrates storage shed cover, our 
       20      plan is to cover that with .5, because it will be 
       21      clean, just as the rest of the site is cleaned.  So 
       22      there will be no hazard there.  What we are trying 
       23      to do is just put a cover down for esthetics. 
       24            Jim Cassie is going to speak to this.  We 
       25      have brought in some samples of shale and sand and 
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        1      are about to find out. 
        2      JIM CASSIE:             I will just use this and 
        3      put my back to the people at the table. 
        4            Jim Cassie speaking.  I trust that everyone 
        5      can hear me across the room.  I didn't bring over 
        6      the tailings, but there are tailings over there if 
        7      you wish. 
        8            There are samples here, of course.  This is 
        9      the shale material, you can come and feel it and 
       10      touch it, if you wish.  An geologist would call 
       11      this, we use the term very -- well, very easily 
       12      breakable, it breaks apart extremely easily.  It 
       13      results in a whole bunch of small fragments, as you 
       14      can see, and this is the material that we are 
       15      proposing to use for the insulating cover.  It 
       16      breaks down easily, and it becomes relatively fine 
       17      grained, assuming because -- so that's the point of 
       18      this.  So this goes over top of the tailings and 
       19      basically prevents the tailings from spreading 
       20      around to the environment.  That's its role, and it 
       21      does it quite well. 
       22            As you can see, come and feel, it has some 
       23      finite nature.  It has some particles, which it has 
       24      variable colours.  It is a light-grey colour to a 
       25      very dark grey, to even black occasionally; so that 
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        1      probably out here as well, there are extensive 
        2      exposures of shale in the general area. 
        3            We have another deposit, and we call it the 
        4      Twin Lakes sand and gravel, basically an eroded 
        5      sandstone.  There is also a sedimentary rock, the 
        6      same as the shale is, but because of the chemical 
        7      processes, this is an extremely durable rock.  It 
        8      is made out of quartz, which is a silicon dioxide, 
        9      same as your glass windows are made out of.  It has 
       10      been kind of recrystallized because of the 
       11      geological processes.  You can come and feel it 
       12      here as well.  It is sand and gravel.  And you will 
       13      see over here, we have got some particles that are 
       14      up to cobble and boulder size, quite large sized, 
       15      and the range of those particles will be used. 
       16            This material, if you wish and if you have 
       17      your glasses on, you can try to attempt to break it 
       18      with a hammer, but I would bet that no one in this 
       19      room possibly could ever do that to this material.  
       20      It is so durable and so hard.  So this Twin Lakes 
       21      sand and gravel goes on top of the shale to protect 
       22      it, so it doesn't seep.  The shale, of course, 
       23      people know, blows around in the wind.  This will 
       24      stop the shale from blowing around.  It will stop 
       25      the shale from being eroded by the water processes. 
       26            So each of these materials have a certain 

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        1      purpose.  And for the purpose we are proposing here 
        2      for the mine, they are well serviced for that. 
        3            So I will leave my introduction, and if later 
        4      on anybody wants to come and look at samples and 
        5      discuss it more, I will leave that to you. 
        6      BOB CARREAU:            Thanks, Jim.  That was -- 
        7      we brought that up because it was raised 
        8      specifically by people of Arctic Bay who asked us 
        9      to bring samples for the people of Arctic Bay. 
       10            So as Jim pointed out, later if anybody would 
       11      like to come up and discuss a little bit more of 
       12      what the recipe looks like, we would be happy to 
       13      discuss it with you.
       14            It was also asked, Is it feasible to transfer 
       15      tailings to the underground mine?  This issue was 
       16      raised by the hamlet of the Arctic Bay.  Just to 
       17      give some perspective of what we are talking about, 
       18      some relativity to, move the 20 million tonnes of 
       19      tailings into the West Twin disposal area, it took 
       20      25 years, and it took a pump operating at a 
       21      designed capacity on a 24-hour-per-day basis, seven 
       22      days a week, 350 days of the year.  This would be a 
       23      big operation. 
       24            The majority of the tailings now are frozen 
       25      into place and would not be possible, as suggested, 
       26      to reserve the flow and just let them flow back 

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        1      into the mine.  And thawing and separating of the 
        2      tailings we think would impose significant risks.  
        3      And it would also impose risks to the permafrost in 
        4      the mine. 
        5            Drilling and blasting and hauling of frozen 
        6      materials would simply not be economically 
        7      feasible. 
        8            Underground tailings, if we would put them 
        9      underground, it would be absolutely the frozen 
       10      materials.  But we are taking -- we are leaving the 
       11      tailings in place, and we are encapsulating them in 
       12      frozen materials.  It is a very similar process. 
       13            I understand what your concern is, but I 
       14      think what we have proposed here offers the same 
       15      level of safety.  And it is important to remember 
       16      that tailings are ground waste rock.  They are not 
       17      something else, something that we imagined to be 
       18      some type of industrial discharge or massive 
       19      chemicals.  You take the rock, you break it down, 
       20      you take the zinc out, you take the metals out, 
       21      which are contaminants of concern, and you get a 95 
       22      percent recovery of that.  It is the economic 
       23      process, you put the reject out there. 
       24            Water sampling at Twin Lakes, this was an 
       25      issue raised by the hamlet of Arctic Bay, and it 
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        1      how would we continue to sample and ensure that the 
        2      water is safe?  I would just like to assure you 
        3      that samples are collected every day, every day 
        4      when the water was released in the tailings area 
        5      into West Twin Lakes.  This doesn't happen.  I have 
        6      been accountable for mining, for environmental 
        7      impacts at other mines, and some jurisdictions you 
        8      are only required to sample once a month.  We 
        9      sample every day, and it is only released when the 
       10      water quality is acceptable. 
       11            Now that the mine is closed, we are not 
       12      putting tailings in that lake anymore.  
       13      Intuitively, understandably, we only expect the 
       14      water quality to improve.  And, in fact, it did 
       15      improve this year. 
       16            Water quality has never been an issue in 
       17      Nanisivik, and we have never had to treat, so we 
       18      don't expect to have to treat when we shut down or 
       19      now that we are shut down.
       20               And samples are not only collected at the 
       21      discharge point, but they are also collected down 
       22      the creek.  And this will continue throughout the 
       23      closure monitoring period, and this information, as 
       24      I said before, is available to the people of Arctic 
       25      Bay, and so is all of this information. 
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        1      council and INAC about PCBs and the ANFO plant.  We 
        2      have committed to shipping out all of the PCB 
        3      wastes, and we expect to remove those this year on 
        4      a ship, from the site.  Those are in transformers.  
        5      They are in a regulated storage area, an approved 
        6      storage area.  That container will be shipped 
        7      off-site this summer.  The active transformers will 
        8      be stored and then will be shipped in 2006, and 
        9      this is because Wolf Den.  Another operation has 
       10      purchased these and is going to be using them at 
       11      another off-mine operation.  So I think that's a 
       12      good thing.  At least some of our equipment will 
       13      continue to have a legacy in the north and be able 
       14      to make a positive contribution.  And these 
       15      transformers, which are very safe, will be used to 
       16      generate electricity. 
       17            Samples underneath the PCB storage container, 
       18      where they are stored now, will be collected, and 
       19      we'll make sure that there is no contamination.  If 
       20      there is contamination, that will be taken care of.
       21            The samples from the ANFO plant, which is 
       22      ammonium nitrate and fuel oil plant, will remain 
       23      our explosives.  We will analyze them for ammonia 
       24      and other nitrogen compounds, and we will clean up 
       25      the area if there is some, again, found. 
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        1      hamlet of Arctic Bay about the contingency plans 
        2      for failures after reclamation.  I think everybody 
        3      understands what contingency plans are.  They are 
        4      the questions that we ask, what if this happens?  
        5      Well, in each of these reports, there is a section 
        6      for contingencies where we ask ourselves all the 
        7      possible "what ifs."  What if this was to happen?  
        8      What if it was to -- what if we were to have global 
        9      warming?  What if we were to have a flood?  What if 
       10      we were to have a crack in the surface?  And there 
       11      is answers for all of those things.  So each of 
       12      the -- we have already anticipated the what ifs, 
       13      and CanZinco will be responsible for the 
       14      contingencies until the long-term stability of the 
       15      site has been determined. 
       16            There was a question raised about the 
       17      monitoring at Kuhulu Lake, fish monitoring.  And 
       18      this came up originally at the HHERA presentation, 
       19      and Mr. Duxbury came here in Arctic Bay, and I was 
       20      in attendance and Murray was in attendance.  And 
       21      someone asked us about fish.  Although it is 
       22      outside of the water license, it is outside of the 
       23      impact area, we agreed to test the fish that are in 
       24      Kuhulu Lake.  And we did this in 2003, and the fish 
       25      were found to be healthy.  The fish are healthy.  
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        1      mine.  They are similar to other fish that are in 
        2      land-locked lakes in the Arctic. 
        3            We will continue to water sample at the inlet 
        4      into Kuhulu and outlet out of Kuhulu during the 
        5      reclamation closing period.  And we will sample for 
        6      metals, total suspended solids and pH and 
        7      temperature.  Those things may not mean a great 
        8      deal to you, but it would mean something to 
        9      Environment Canada, who have raised these issues. 
       10            Is 1.25 metre cover sufficient?  This was an 
       11      issue raised by the hamlet of Arctic Bay.  In one 
       12      word, yes.  The proposed cover is an overestimate.  
       13      We determined through field testing, not through 
       14      modeling and working at a chalkboard and scratching 
       15      our head, but we field tested this at Nanisivik, 
       16      and then we confirmed it with monitoring.  1.25 
       17      metres is more than adequate.  It takes into 
       18      consideration things like global warming or extreme 
       19      heat events that happen once in a hundred years. 
       20            If we were to just cover what we needed, it 
       21      would be .9 metres, .9 metres in our test kept 
       22      Nanisivik frozen.  So we have added all the 
       23      worst-case information, and we come up with 1.25.  
       24      We are going to continue to monitor that.  I have 
       25      been monitoring this since 1988, and we are going 
       26      to continue to monitor that throughout the closure 

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        1      and reclamation period, and that information will 
        2      be made available. 
        3            There is a request for a comprehensive 
        4      schedule for reclamation activities.  Eric just 
        5      made a presentation on that.  We do have a 
        6      schedule.  It is considered somewhat preliminary in 
        7      that we are adjusting this thing as we move towards 
        8      the closure date, the approval date.  We expect 
        9      there may be some requests for some modifications. 
       10            We have had requests even since yesterday 
       11      when GN  arrived on-site to include some of their 
       12      infrastructure in our implementation schedules, so 
       13      there would be some adjustments.  But I believe the 
       14      major components are laid out in a way that would 
       15      allow the Board to approve a plan because it is a 
       16      logical sequence.  And as I have pointed out, every 
       17      schedule gets adjusted.  This one would be the 
       18      same. 
       19            The general covering soils, this is an issue 
       20      raised by Acres, in areas where contaminated soils 
       21      have been removed, no covering is required.  We 
       22      will try to restore the land to its pre-mine use.  
       23      And only the two concrete floors, the concentrate 
       24      shed and the mill, will those be covered?  All 
       25      other areas will be contoured after excavation 
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        1      restore the natural drainage, where possible. 
        2            Sealing of the underground openings, we spoke 
        3      to this.  This is an issue raised by Acres and 
        4      INAC.  An engineering design will be borrowed for 
        5      sealing the underground openings, will be provided 
        6      for approval by the Board.  We will provide this by 
        7      November 30th, 2004.  This doesn't prevent anything 
        8      from going ahead.  It is the last step that has to 
        9      occur at the mine site, and that will only occur in 
       10      2005.  The plan we present will include close 
       11      monitoring program for stability, and have an 
       12      updated assessment of the surface stability. 
       13            I would just like to point out that as part 
       14      of the present reclamation process, and it is 
       15      required under the Mine Safety Act, some 
       16      underground openings have already been closed, were 
       17      closed during operations.  These have been 
       18      inspected by Mine Safety and found to be accurate. 
       19            The instrumentation contingency plan closure 
       20      period is an issue that was raised by Acres.  A 
       21      professional geotechnical engineer, and, as a 
       22      matter of fact, a geotechnical engineering firm 
       23      continues to provide recommendations with CanZinco 
       24      with respect to the type and number of instruments.  
       25      If instruments are damaged or destroyed, then we 
       26      will be advised as to whether the instrument should 

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        1      be repaired by CanZinco.  So these will be treated 
        2      each as they come up, if they come up.  
        3            Reclamation of the town industrial complex 
        4      and dock areas, this is an issue raised by Acres, 
        5      the GN, NTI.  Our plan is to remove all of the 
        6      CanZinco structures, any structures at the 
        7      discretion of their owners.  GN has indicated that 
        8      they wish to discuss incorporating their structures 
        9      with CanZinco for the tear-down, and we are meeting 
       10      with this, and we will be discussing this with the 
       11      GN during the course of these proceedings, over 
       12      these few days. 
       13            A preliminary schedule has been provided 
       14      already and a database management system is in 
       15      place to track volumes, source locations and 
       16      disposal locations for waste materials.  We believe 
       17      the people of Arctic Bay will be involved with this 
       18      in its monitoring and reporting process. 
       19            East Adit Treatment Facility, this is an 
       20      issue raised by Acres.  It is more, How does that 
       21      figure into our plan?  At the treatment plant, we 
       22      should have a look at that, perhaps, while we are 
       23      on-site with some technical people.  And it will 
       24      remain on a standby status until it is demonstrated 
       25      that it is no longer needed.  We will make that 
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        1      be approved by the Board if it is acceptable. 
        2            A report on the East Adit Treatment Facility 
        3      includes a wrap up of the water quality information 
        4      collected, background water and all throughout the 
        5      history of the operation will be provided. 
        6            Monitoring Strathcona Sound, there is an 
        7      environmental effects monitoring plan, and I showed 
        8      you earlier.  This is right now in front of 
        9      Environment Canada, and they are approving it.  It 
       10      is required under the Fisheries Act and the other 
       11      Mines Act regulations.  And we have proposed in 
       12      that study to include sampling in Strathcona Sound, 
       13      so that is part of our monitoring. 
       14            Mine roads is an issue raised by Acres and 
       15      DFO.  The restoration of the water crossing will be 
       16      performed in a manner to prevent erosion, so we 
       17      will make sure that there is no solids being washed 
       18      into wherever we move a culvert or a bridge.  And a 
       19      causeway across Twin Lakes Creek will be removed, 
       20      that's the one out to the potable water area.  And 
       21      a drivable service will be provided across the West 
       22      Twin Creek that will allow ATV access to the east 
       23      adit of Kuhulu Lake and Oceanview areas for 
       24      monitoring.  This is the way it was before we came, 
       25      and this was the way it was in -- back in 1992 when 
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        1      there will be a floor in that area, so you can 
        2      drive through the shallow waters and carry on. 
        3            CanZinco is obviously not committing to 
        4      provide maintenance or long-term roads for private 
        5      vehicles, but we will return things the way we 
        6      found them.  And if there is some information on 
        7      some roads that you would like left in place, then 
        8      you would be required to -- whoever would like them 
        9      left in place would be required to get approval.  
       10      And we would be more than happy to leave those in 
       11      place, for example, the road to Kuhulu Lake.  But 
       12      under the Act, under our license, we have to remove 
       13      those. 
       14            The water monitoring in the landfill, this is 
       15      an issue raised by Environment Canada and INAC.  
       16      All parameters for gasoline, diesel and oils will 
       17      be analyzed in the reclamation period.  We have 
       18      done this in the past, and we will continue to do 
       19      this.  And so far it indicates that there are no 
       20      requirements.  We realize there are some fractions, 
       21      there are some other fractions, different types of 
       22      oil have been proposed for sampling, and we will 
       23      add these.  If elevated concentrations are 
       24      identified, we will also sample further afield to 
       25      try and delineate where the impacts are.  A 
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        1            Other questions from INAC and DFO include 
        2      copies of quarterly and annual monitoring reports, 
        3      and we will provide these to the hamlet council of 
        4      Arctic Bay, the quarterly and the annual.  If you 
        5      would be interested and if INAC requests, we could 
        6      send a copy of that information. 
        7            We would just like to point out that CanZinco 
        8      does not own the dock.  So reclamation, if 
        9      required, since deciding the dock will not be in 
       10      place, will be of the responsibility federal 
       11      government. 
       12            The physical stability in reclaimed areas was 
       13      raised by DFO.  All the reclaimed areas, including 
       14      the Twin Lakes Creek, are part of the proposed 
       15      monitoring inspections for assessment of physical 
       16      stability.  There will be a geotechnical engineer 
       17      on site annually to inspect these.  As well, we 
       18      expect to have people in Arctic Bay, somebody from 
       19      Arctic Bay to do a report.  A   visual inspection, 
       20      if there are problems off-site, then we would 
       21      expect that constant communications would be 
       22      notified. 
       23            The quarry buffer zone is an issue raised by 
       24      DFO, and we will maintain a 50-metre buffer zone 
       25      between all quarries and all adjacent water bodies.  
       26               Thank you

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        1      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Okay.  Are 
        2      there any questions from the interveners to be 
        3      directed to the applicant?  Maybe I'll start with 
        4      Arctic Bay. 
        5      HTO QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT:
        6      TOMMY TATATUAPIK:       I am Thomas Tatatuapik.  
        7      Thank you, Bob, for your comments.  I don't have a 
        8      lot of time; I am leaving tonight.  So representing 
        9      the HTO, the HTO have concerns, although you 
       10      responded to the concerns, but I think I will 
       11      proceed with the concerns they have. 
       12            One of the concerns is the tailings, when it 
       13      is draining to the ocean, that it might affect the 
       14      microorganism in the ocean, that it might be 
       15      harmful to the micro-organisms.  And that there 
       16      should be a report or if there is any studies, then 
       17      the report should be submitted, a copy of that 
       18      should be submitted to HTO for their information so 
       19      that they can see for themselves what kind of study 
       20      were done.  And so that was the one -- one of the 
       21      major concerns, that the tailings or the 
       22      contaminants might be going to the ocean. 
       23            And since there is runoffs in the springtime, 
       24      the contaminants or the metals might go in the 
       25      water down to the ocean. 
       26            Also, although you already mentioned the 

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        1      Kuhulu Lake, they want to okay for seven-year 
        2      monitoring period, that they want to continue 
        3      studying the fish in the Kuhulu Lake during the 
        4      monitoring period, that it should be part of the 
        5      monitoring activity. 
        6            Also, after the mine is closed, the -- there 
        7      was a concern on the other side of the Strathcona 
        8      Sound that they don't want just a mine area to be 
        9      monitored but that there should be.  When the mine 
       10      was operating, the smoke created dark matter, I 
       11      guess, in the surface, and my -- you know, drift 
       12      around, wind blown.  So they said just that the 
       13      area across the Strathcona Sound, the land should 
       14      be tested for -- like, small games live there, and 
       15      if there is caribou, they live there too, and fish.  
       16      So that area should also be included in the 
       17      monitoring. 
       18            And last one, from the HTO, the creek, as you 
       19      mention, you would do studies in the water quality, 
       20      but we still have concern over that.  That not just 
       21      the Nanisivik should be -- mine site, there is 
       22      other areas that might be affected, like closer to 
       23      Arctic Bay.  There is a creek going to Arctic Bay 
       24      area.  Maybe in these creeks there should also be 
       25      studies or monitored, that the water going -- like, 
       26      although we suspect it is okay, but we have to be 

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        1      sure that it is okay. 
        2            And for these reasons, in the past, the -- 
        3      well, there is families that travel in that area 
        4      for camping and so on, so they will continue using 
        5      that area for their camping.  So we want those 
        6      areas to be monitored as well. 
        7            And the monitoring reports or studies, 
        8      reports each year that you do a study, we want to 
        9      copy of the reports to be given to the HTO so that 
       10      we can tell what was done and where it was done. 
       11            So these are the main concerns for the 
       12      monitoring, and we want them to keep monitoring.  
       13      And these are our requests. 
       14            Personally, I have my own concern, thinking 
       15      of not Arctic Bay people, just personal concern.  
       16      Now, this month on the 16th, I'm going to a meeting 
       17      in Parks Canada, and it is a parks -- we have a new 
       18      park north of Arctic Bay, and I think the 
       19      infrastructure in Nanisivik could be very useful in 
       20      the parks for tourism, I guess, the roadway to the 
       21      airport and roads, and I think they -- I would want 
       22      buildings in Nanisivik.  And I think when I go to 
       23      that meeting, Parks Canada meeting, I will mention 
       24      that there is buildings available in Nanisivik and 
       25      that we will try, and somehow if the Parks Canada 
       26      can obtain a building, that we will need a building 

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        1      for sure as we improve the Parks Canada visitors, 
        2      and so on.  If you are the ones -- like, we want a 
        3      list of the buildings that will be demolished, 
        4      which buildings will be destroyed, let's say, and 
        5      so that we can kind of say we want this building or 
        6      we want that building. 
        7            Also, my own concern, in the beginning of the 
        8      exploration, they did exploring by dog teams.  
        9      Akchigo (phonetic) and Levis were the two people 
       10      that went around with the dog team, and Akchigo was 
       11      involved when they found the minerals, I guess.  
       12      And so I'm requesting that Nanisivik make a 
       13      monument maybe on top of the Mt. Fuji to put names 
       14      of the people who discovered the minerals, who were 
       15      the initial people who were part of the discovery 
       16      of the minerals.  That there should be a monument 
       17      or some kind of a cairn or some kind of -- to put 
       18      down their names, who they were and also include 
       19      the Inuit that worked there.  So after the closure 
       20      of the mine, at least our -- our next generation, 
       21      they can see how the Inuit were involved in the 
       22      exploration and the development of a mine.  So that 
       23      maybe there could be a concrete monument or 
       24      something like that to recognize the participation 
       25      of the mine development, and that they will... 
       26            Arctic Bay people will have other concerns 

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        1      too, but as for myself and representing HTO, those 
        2      are my comments and remarks.  And thank you for 
        3      allowing me to speak. 
        4      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  
        5                              (RECESSED AT 4:00 P.M.) 
        6                              (RECONVENED AT 4:20 P.M.)
        7      CHAIRMAN:               We will stop at 5 and then 
        8      try again at 7 p.m. just to make sure that we are 
        9      all in the same waiting up there.  We are proposing 
       10      to stop the hearing at 5, go for supper and then 
       11      resume the hearing at 7 this evening until 10 
       12      o'clock. 
       13            Most of us staying at the mine, we have to 
       14      drive all the way out there, have supper, and then 
       15      drive all the way back.  So if we can resume the 
       16      hearing at 7 o'clock this evening until 10ish. 
       17            And, Mr. Tilleman, by the way, you have 
       18      Exhibit number 1?
       19      BILL TILLEMAN:          Yes, sir.  That's what I 
       20      would propose, is that we would mark as Exhibit 
       21      number 1 the CanZinco presentation.  And we will 
       22      have a copy, which we now have, and if there are no 
       23      objections, we would like to suggest that. 
       24            And Exhibit number 2, if we could get it in a 
       25      hard copy in the next few days, I don't know how 
       26      easy that would be, but that would be -- since the 

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        1      Board doesn't have the software to make something.  
        2      So that would be our suggestion is to file Exhibit 
        3      1 as the electronic copy of the CanZinco 
        4      presentation, and number 2 would be a hard copy of 
        5      the presentation.  Thank you. 
        6      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you. 
        7      EXHIBIT NO. 1:
        8               CANZINCO PRESENTATION, ELECTRONIC COPY
        9      EXHIBIT NO. 2:
       10               CANZINCO PRESENTATION, HARD COPY.
       11      CHAIRMAN:               Just for your information 
       12      here, we have got to the interveners, and I have it 
       13      set up in my mind here, if you don't mind, the 
       14      order of events would be, Arctic Bay first.  We 
       15      will take questions.  Arctic Bay, second would be 
       16      NTI, third would be GN, Susan Hardy, and then the 
       17      fourth would be DIAND, fifth is Environment Canada, 
       18      last but not the least, DFO, okay?  All right.  
       19      Thanks.  Tommy?
       20      BOB CARREAU:            Mr. Chair?   
       21      ARCTIC BAY QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT:
       22      TOMMY KILABUK:          My first presence will be 
       23      for those of you that talked, the thing that you 
       24      were showing.  There was a section there that you 
       25      were showing that some part of the land would 
       26      freeze under the lake for that diagram.  And my 

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        1      question is, Where is the time that you estimate?  
        2      I believe it is two years, is that correct, or am I 
        3      wrong on that point?  Seven years.  Okay.  My 
        4      question was regarding that, if there was a seepage 
        5      on the Dike or on the 1.25 metre that you were 
        6      talking of the pressure intake is, will there be 
        7      equipment there to do the work later on if there 
        8      should be seepage on that? 
        9      BOB CARREAU:            Mr. Chair, I would just 
       10      like to -- before I answer Tommy's question, just 
       11      -- I would like to answer Tommy Tatatuapik's 
       12      questions as well. 
       13            Thank you for the question, Tommy.  It is a 
       14      good one.  We anticipate that there will be some 
       15      water coming out, so we had planned to have some 
       16      water come out of the talik, and it is in the plan.  
       17      It gets pretty complicated of course for me, but we 
       18      rely on our experts to do this.  It considers a 
       19      mixture of water in the reservoirs, so you have 
       20      some water that's coming out of the talik and 
       21      mixing with the water that's in the reservoir, and 
       22      the one we are concerned about is the discharge 
       23      from the lake.  And the numbers show that the water 
       24      wouldn't be -- have an impact.  It would be -- 
       25      there is such a small amount that comes from the 
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        1            If there was some break on the surface, we 
        2      are going to have equipment on-site for a couple of 
        3      years, and then we are considering leaving a couple 
        4      of pieces of equipment on-site for some of the 
        5      five-year closure plan.  If there was a problem and 
        6      it need a larger repair, we would call on a 
        7      contractor, we would call on Moses with some of his 
        8      equipment.  If it was huge, which we don't expect, 
        9      CanZinco would be responsible for mobilizing it, 
       10      bringing equipment back to the site.
       11      TOMMY KILABUK:          The other question I have 
       12      got, Bob, is that I don't know if you touched base 
       13      on the dump.  Will the dike and the landfill be 
       14      running, or is that the way that's going to be left 
       15      alone?  Have you got more dikes, things like the 
       16      dump?  Is there further development going at the 
       17      dump or what? 
       18      BOB CARREAU:            Yes, there will be more 
       19      development at the dump, we are just -- we have 
       20      to -- we haven't built the cover yet.  So what we 
       21      are going to be building there is the cover that 
       22      will encapsulate the entire dump inside permafrost, 
       23      and we will continue to monitor downstream to make 
       24      sure that there is nothing that leaks.  Nothing is 
       25      looking at it right now, and we would make sure 
       26      that nothing leaks out of there after we are 

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        1      closed. 
        2      TOMMY KILABUK:          Thank you. 
        3      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Tommy, Mr. 
        4      Carreau. 
        5            Okay.  I'm moving on to...
        6      AKIKULUK SHAPPA:        Thank you.  I'm glad.  I 
        7      think you are all Inuit Water Board members. You 
        8      understand more of my concern. 
        9            As you mentioned, that they are monitoring, 
       10      in English, monitor.  The monitoring period or 
       11      location that the tailings, the longer it takes, it 
       12      will have to be shorter into -- shorter time to 
       13      monitor.  They said seven years to monitor, but I 
       14      said it is older.  It will have to be more frequent 
       15      monitoring, that it is dangerous for animals if it 
       16      drains to the ocean. 
       17            I think they will have to set aside funding 
       18      or, I guess, security that we hear about the global 
       19      warming, that the permafrost will eventually melt.  
       20      So the contamination of the tailings, there will be 
       21      a risk of melting the permafrost, so the frequency 
       22      of the monitoring will have to be shortened, that 
       23      not just seven years, but more than seven years.  I 
       24      think it is harmful. 
       25            And the other things that were mentioned that 
       26      those PCBs were mentioned that they will be shipped 

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        1      out, so other materials would have to be included 
        2      in the materials that are shipped out. 
        3            As Arctic Bay residents, we will stay here, 
        4      we will continue to live in the area, and we will 
        5      rely on animals for food.  We are used to eating 
        6      the animals, and we will continue eating the 
        7      animals.  And if there is anything happening to the 
        8      animals, any effects, it is humans, because we rely 
        9      on them. 
       10            So, yeah, your operation of the mine is 
       11      closed, but it is important that as Water Board, we 
       12      have to be very careful in terms of reviewing the 
       13      documents and the condition.  And as Board members, 
       14      that I would suggest that the monitoring period be 
       15      extended beyond seven years.  Thank you. 
       16      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  I just received 
       17      a note here that we would like to provide the 
       18      opportunity to have comments, questions.  
       19            Are you prepared to answer comments, 
       20      questions now, please?  
       21      BOB CARREAU:            Thank you, Mr. Chair.  I 
       22      will answer the first couple of points raised by 
       23      Tommy and the other comments. 
       24            Tommy's concerns regarding the 
       25      micro-organisms is a very good one.  It is a 
       26      scientific question that we have -- we have 

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        1      proposed an environmental effects monitoring plan 
        2      that does micro-organisms and any sample right 
        3      outside of the tailings discharge area.  We sample 
        4      way upstream so we know the immediate effect of the 
        5      discharge, so that will be done.  And we can send 
        6      the results. 
        7            As I said, we plan on sending all the results 
        8      to Arctic Bay and the hamlet council, and we would 
        9      be pleased to share those with the HTO.  We don't 
       10      anticipate sending samples, results directly to 
       11      every concerned party, but we will send them to the 
       12      hamlet council, and they can be shared with all the 
       13      citizens.
       14            There was also a question about Kuhulu Lake 
       15      and fish monitoring.  What we have done is we have 
       16      taken a sample that compares water quality with 
       17      fish tissue quality.  And, intuitively, from the 
       18      scientific perspective, you would expect that if 
       19      that relationship shows that the fish are healthy, 
       20      if the water quality isn't changed, you wouldn't 
       21      expect the fish quality to change either.  So we 
       22      will continue to do water quality monitoring, but 
       23      we think unless there is a negative turn, because 
       24      all of this monitoring is, of course, uses our 
       25      resources, the resources that we have earmarked for 
       26      doing the reclamation work at Nanisivik, for doing 

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        1      the job.  We could expect that water quality 
        2      monitoring would be satisfactory, and the 
        3      correlation would be clear to the Board and require 
        4      results. 
        5            Tommy also raised a question about potable 
        6      water samples, and I am not sure of -- or, sorry, 
        7      creek water samples in areas where others are 
        8      camping, and I am not sure of every area, but we do 
        9      note from looking at the watershed, and we have 
       10      done this, that certain streams west of Nanisivik 
       11      flow into Marcel Lake.  And the water quality in 
       12      Marcel Lake is tested by the GN, and those results 
       13      would be available.  And we have seen them, and if 
       14      water quality is good, and I think you can -- we 
       15      can rest easy, Tommy, that there is no 
       16      contamination in the other streams.  There are some 
       17      high natural mineralized areas, but there is 
       18      nothing detrimental in that. 
       19            But you should consult with the inspector 
       20      that comes on-site, ask your representative, I am 
       21      not sure who does your sampling, maybe Constantine, 
       22      for all I know.  But there is some sampling that is 
       23      done on the potable water. 
       24            The last two comments Bill Heath will respond 
       25      to. 
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        1      response to the last two issues that you raised, 
        2      Tommy, with respect to Parks Canada, I think we 
        3      said -- I think we have said in this forum and 
        4      others on a number of occasions, we certainly -- we 
        5      certainly have knocked on a lot of doors of a lot 
        6      of people in an effort to find reasonable homes for 
        7      the infrastructure and the buildings at Nanisivik. 
        8            If Parks Canada -- and, frankly, we haven't 
        9      talked to Parks Canada, and we haven't talked to 
       10      them at all.  If Parks Canada has any sort of 
       11      interest in assuming some of the infrastructure in 
       12      Nanisivik, we would certainly welcome the 
       13      opportunity to talk with them.  That's not to say 
       14      we can find an agreement in there, but we certainly 
       15      would be prepared to sit and have a discussion with 
       16      them.  And that is addressed with respect to the 
       17      first issue. 
       18            The second issue, I think -- and rightfully 
       19      so, I think at every one of these meetings and 
       20      every forum like this, we certainly take an 
       21      opportunity to thank the people of Arctic Bay for 
       22      their contributions to Nanisivik.  We acknowledge 
       23      that without the contributions of the people of 
       24      Nanisivik, Nanisivik would be a very different 
       25      place.  Sorry, without the people of Arctic Bay, 
       26      Nanisivik would be a very different place. 

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        1            And you are right, Tommy, I think there has 
        2      to be -- something concrete that can be pointed to 
        3      that says the people of Arctic Bay have made a 
        4      contribution and should be acknowledged.  We have 
        5      talked internally about ways of doing that, and we 
        6      haven't settled on anything yet.  But as we get 
        7      closer to the end, it will be an important thing 
        8      for us. 
        9            Thank you, Mr. Chairman.  
       10      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you. 
       11            Don't forget to say your name. 
       12      OLAYUK KIGUTIKKAQ:      I am nervous, but I have to 
       13      say -- I have more than one comment. 
       14            It was mentioned, he was the first person 
       15      working during the exploration and he was one of 
       16      the discoverers.  I know in 1956, knowing that 
       17      time, but he passed on before when the mine was 
       18      operating, and his wife is still alive. 
       19            And I haven't seen any benefits, I guess, 
       20      from the company.  Perhaps the wife is getting 
       21      allowance or benefits.  And we hear of people 
       22      getting recognized for compensation or -- she is 
       23      now over 80 years old, and have you ever considered 
       24      how or -- to recognize her husband's efforts or 
       25      participation in the exploration? 
       26            How I know that he was involved in hiring 

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        1      people, local people, and he got us a job in '65, 
        2      her husband.  He used to take explorers or the 
        3      prospectors with him.  And they fell in the water 
        4      one time, and the prospector was rescued, I guess, 
        5      when he see -- he went down, swam to the prospector 
        6      when he was drowning, so, you know, if he did not 
        7      think of saving the prospector, he would be gone.  
        8      But he was concerned about the prospector, so he 
        9      saved his life. 
       10            So, if possible, because we have different 
       11      regulations and regulators and legislators, that 
       12      somehow if there is a way to recognize or to 
       13      compensate that effort, because we don't have 
       14      any -- in written history, we don't have that 
       15      record in the writing. 
       16            And also I have participated in the mine 
       17      activity that there is being marriage and other 
       18      social problems were created by the use of alcohol.  
       19      And alcohol was a factor in disrupting the social 
       20      life.  And they were young and they were probably 
       21      enticed to drink, so there has been a number of 
       22      accidents related to motor accidents related to 
       23      alcohol.  So I think these were never mentioned or 
       24      that they -- the company never apologized for 
       25      those, but we -- they are -- they were -- when they 
       26      were mining, operating, they were a small town that 

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        1      were a neighbouring community to us.  And we have 
        2      never heard them apologizing to the community for 
        3      disrupting their social life in terms of providing 
        4      alcohol, so why -- as an example, when we are 
        5      trying to restrict alcohol import to the community, 
        6      it seems like the company just disregard the 
        7      community's effort to restrict the alcohol import.  
        8      They just allowed them -- the people to buy 
        9      alcohol, so I think this -- my statement should be 
       10      written down somewhere as part of the history that 
       11      Arctic Bay people not only benefited, but also that 
       12      they were disrupted and that they -- there is no 
       13      infrastructure or buildings that were given to 
       14      Arctic Bay. 
       15            So I think one way of soothing, I guess, the 
       16      people would be to give them a building, at least 
       17      one or two. 
       18            Let's say that you are saying that you would 
       19      monitor the site for seven years, so -- and these 
       20      are my comments. 
       21      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.
       22      BILL TILLEMAN:          Mr. Chairman, when we say 
       23      people say their names, and the last few people we 
       24      didn't get on the record. 
       25            And also another thing, sir, is that 
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        1      Parks Canada, and I am afraid we don't need to 
        2      recognize that right now, so it may not get done.  
        3      So the thing with Parks Canada shouldn't affect the 
        4      water license.
        5      CHAIRMAN:               Okay, thank you. 
        6            Remember to say your name.  We are being 
        7      recorded, and the recorded will be -- whoever is 
        8      transcribing, because they are not looking at the 
        9      person, they will need to know who is talking. 
       10      BILL HEATH:             Mr. Chairman, if I could, I 
       11      suspect that there are going to be some people who 
       12      are going to make statements to which we don't feel 
       13      the need to respond, and I suspect there are some 
       14      that are going to ask us questions to which we do 
       15      feel a need to respond.  And the last, and I 
       16      understood, the last lady who spoke was very 
       17      eloquent and stated her position, and we don't feel 
       18      the need to respond to it.  But if we could be just 
       19      afforded that opportunity on a case-by-case basis, 
       20      we would appreciate it.
       21      MUCKTAR AKUMALIK:       Don't be afraid of me, I 
       22      don't have any teeth. 
       23            These people representing Nanisivik, they 
       24      never gave me teeth from the stones that they dug 
       25      up.  We were told not to smoke, and smoke seemed to 
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        1            First of all, that's just my general comment.  
        2      As Inuit Elders' committee, the Elders' committee, 
        3      there is only four members, and we will be -- there 
        4      is only four people left in the community who were 
        5      involved in the beginning. 
        6            We were living in the Inuit way of living in 
        7      the Arctic, and they were not relying on government 
        8      handouts or any other handouts, but they were 
        9      relying on the animals from the land.  And that 
       10      time when they were Inuit, they had meetings about 
       11      animals or about wildlife.  And they knew the 
       12      social -- social fabrics, I guess, in living in the 
       13      society. 
       14            And each community had their own leader, and 
       15      the leader would be responsible for their people.  
       16      And wildlife animals were afraid of humans because 
       17      even though they relied on them as food -- but now 
       18      the Qadlunnaq way of making food is they -- we are 
       19      eating the same food now.  But since then Inuit 
       20      lived on the land, from the land. 
       21            And when Inuit relied on the animals, and the 
       22      animals were afraid of the humans, so they kept -- 
       23      every day, every day they look for food that time. 
       24            And the Inuit, as an example, oceans and the 
       25      land is the farm for the Inuit, and it is like a 
       26      farm to us.  And they always had to catch or -- I 

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        1      mean, the animals. 
        2            And when the mine started, before they 
        3      started shipping to other countries, there was only 
        4      four people left who started the initial 
        5      exploration, and their seal skin boots were wore 
        6      out, they had holes in them. 
        7            And I was working four months, and I got paid 
        8      $300, and that was a big amount of money, but I 
        9      realize now it was small amount of money.  But the 
       10      whole summer we walk around staking, we made good 
       11      lines and every 300 metres or so.  And we made 
       12      right-angle turns, and we put stake.  I think I was 
       13      making $3 a day.  And we went home in the evening, 
       14      and we start six in the morning, start walking and 
       15      my dog -- okay. 
       16            My dog was given -- tied up in there, and 
       17      they put wiring -- wire around the neck and killed 
       18      my dog, and I -- I found my dog along the creek. 
       19            So when the mine -- before the mine started 
       20      operating, we worked all summer and right to the 
       21      fall, and my brother's wife Karpik (phonetic) and 
       22      her son, there were three tents there.  We had our 
       23      family with us, my brother and myself, we had 
       24      families.  Although they were cold in the tent 
       25      because they were always freeze-up time -- and now 
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        1      saying that he want to dump the tailings directly 
        2      to the creek, but we rejected that idea.  And then 
        3      I used to be in the committee to those previous 
        4      companies, and Jim Marshall, when we rejected his 
        5      proposal to drain the tailings to Kuhulu Lake, I 
        6      guess, and those companies, the previous companies 
        7      -- and, you know, these last companies are 
        8      following the guidelines of what people want or 
        9      under the regulation, but the previous company did 
       10      not really consider the regulations and guidelines. 
       11            When the ship started coming in in the last 
       12      25 years, when the ship start hauling the 
       13      concentrate, the -- it is going to -- the storage 
       14      shed on the beach was used, you know, it is 
       15      probably most likely contaminated, even beneath the 
       16      concrete slabs, I guess.  And that also the 
       17      landfill site is located on top of the hill, and I 
       18      know that in PanArctic Oils, the company drilling 
       19      oil up there, they make a ditch, they put all their 
       20      old equipment and they just cover them. 
       21            But I want some kind of an apology, I guess, 
       22      from the company because they did -- they did their 
       23      own activity without considering what the Arctic 
       24      Bay community wants.  And, you know, they didn't 
       25      even ask the community how they feel about their 
       26      activity, whether to, you know -- Arctic Bay 

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        1      residents were concerned that -- they were anxious 
        2      for an apology, I guess, and they all just leave 
        3      the area without apologizing to us. 
        4            But during that meeting one time here in 
        5      Arctic Bay with the Water Board and the company 
        6      Nanisivik, we were all here, and I had requested an 
        7      apology from them, but there has been no response 
        8      since then that it is our neighbour community, 
        9      Nanisivik is our neighbour, and there is a road to 
       10      Nanisivik, and they just contaminate the area and 
       11      leave the area.  So in the springtime, in March, 
       12      the snow melts faster. 
       13            And Nanisivik continued to dump tailings.  As 
       14      I worked there for seven years, I know that the 
       15      tailings keep draining to the ocean.  Arctic Bay 
       16      residents, we have a small creek in our landfill 
       17      site, and then we got charged for that, like, small 
       18      creek coming from the landfill site, and somebody 
       19      warned the hamlet not to have any creeks running 
       20      from the landfill.  So the tailings have been 
       21      draining water for 25 years, and nobody has ever 
       22      complained about that or nobody has warned the 
       23      company on that.  So they made money from the area, 
       24      from the land, and at least even a letter of 
       25      apology.  And the only thing we -- that was 
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        1            And last March I went to Winnipeg for a 
        2      meeting on environment, global climate change, I 
        3      guess.  And they kept saying that it is going to 
        4      get warmer, that it will melt faster or earlier.  
        5      During the meeting in Winnipeg, I thought 
        6      Nanisivik, they just close it down, just cover it, 
        7      that landfill just cover it without making a ditch, 
        8      because there -- the landfill is on top of the 
        9      hill, that they just cap it off and, you know, that 
       10      would be my concern, is that exposed. 
       11            During the meeting in Winnipeg, there were 
       12      ministers who were making statements on the change, 
       13      climate change.  So I will continue to have the 
       14      concern that if we are getting warmer, then, you 
       15      know, even the glaciers are melting now, so they 
       16      are getting smaller.  Glaciers are getting smaller, 
       17      and in the fall when it is supposed to be freezing 
       18      up, it takes longer to freeze.  And our ice 
       19      thickness used to be six feet, now less than six 
       20      feet thickness, and there is no real ice like 
       21      frozen ice.  It is all looking like it is all warm. 
       22            Like as an Elder, I am speaking on behalf of 
       23      the Elders' committee, that these are my 
       24      statements. 
       25            That buildings that are in Nanisivik, the 
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        1      here, we want them moved here.  We want to keep 
        2      them as we have the equipment to transport 
        3      materials.  And people are starting their own 
        4      business in the community and building new things, 
        5      so people who are starting business should be 
        6      offered a building, at least given a chance to up 
        7      and claim a building.  And so even if not the 
        8      building, there should be $2 million as a 
        9      competition package or some kind of way of the 
       10      company, I guess, apologizing.  So I know it is not 
       11      possible to do, but these are our requests. 
       12            Thank you. 
       13      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  It is 5 
       14      o'clock, we stop now, come back at 7 o'clock.  
       15      Okay?
       16                              (RECESSED AT 5:04 P.M.) 
       17                              (RECONVENED AT 7:10 P.M.)
       18      CHAIRMAN:               We will move onto item 9, 
       19      Hamlet of Arctic Bay. 
       20      NIORE IQALUKJUAK:       I'm Niore Iqalukjuak, mayor 
       21      of Arctic Bay. 
       22            First one during the reclamation work, are 
       23      you going to employ local people from Arctic Bay? 
       24      BILL HEATH:             I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman?  
       25      We are a little slow on that, on the update there.  
       26      We missed the question.

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        1      NIORE IQALUKJUAK:       Once you start reclaiming, 
        2      where and how many employees will you have once it 
        3      starts?
        4      BILL HEATH:             Bill Heath responding.  It 
        5      is difficult.  It is difficult, as we have said in 
        6      the past.  And at the risk of sounding repetitive, 
        7      it is difficult for us to assess how many employees 
        8      there are going to be. 
        9            You know, as we said earlier, we hoped all 
       10      along that we will be able to find a solution that 
       11      will allow us to preserve much of the 
       12      infrastructure.  Now it looks like it is not going 
       13      to happen.  So in all likelihood, we are going to 
       14      engage a contractor to do the work for us. 
       15            We have certainly talked to the contractor 
       16      about utilizing, as much as possible, trained 
       17      residents of Arctic Bay to do work.  And, you know, 
       18      whenever we use extra employees or more employees, 
       19      we try to come to Arctic Bay. 
       20            There is a contractor who has now started 
       21      on-site who is -- will be on-site for some time, 
       22      because he is doing the work -- the clean up of the 
       23      mill operation.  And they are relying quite 
       24      heavily, I believe, on Arctic Bay.  And the 
       25      contractor that we have engaged, although we have 
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        1      for employees as well. 
        2   Q  I guess my second question is in regards to the 
        3      buildings and the infrastructure, is it your 
        4      understanding now that they will have to be burned 
        5      down or whatever?  Will you make it available to 
        6      the rest of the Arctic Bay or to salvage any of the 
        7      materials?
        8      BILL HEATH:             Bill Heath again. 
        9            What we said the last time we were here still 
       10      holds true, and I think we have been consistent on 
       11      this throughout all of the various meetings we have 
       12      had and throughout all the submissions we have had, 
       13      and that is that with respect to the 
       14      infrastructure, if we couldn't find an agency or a 
       15      buyer who was interested in assuming the 
       16      responsibility for the infrastructure, that we 
       17      would, as best as we could find, and assuming that, 
       18      of course, there is still some value to it, that 
       19      there is still some use for it some place, that we 
       20      would do our best to find that use, and it would 
       21      most likely be a use in Arctic Bay. 
       22            I think that Murray has been in touch with 
       23      the head office to say if and when the time comes 
       24      when we determine what it is that is surplus to our 
       25      requirements, we will set about establishing a 
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        1      that to happen in an orderly fashion.  You know, we 
        2      have talked to some people, and I think everybody 
        3      would understand that the last thing that we would 
        4      want to have happen is there is just a free-for-all 
        5      that people are coming in and helping themselves to 
        6      what it is they want or they need.  Whenever -- 
        7      when the time comes, and it will come, I will want 
        8      it orderly, want it to be safe, we want it to be in 
        9      the best interest of the people in Arctic Bay, but 
       10      we are just not quite there yet.  
       11            Thank you. 
       12      CHAIRMAN:               I'm sorry, I don't know 
       13      your names.
       14   Q  LEAH OQALLAK:           I'm Leah.  I'm the opposer 
       15      to the tailings -- tailings pond.  I'm really 
       16      against that.  As I check those gravel and sand and 
       17      gravel and shale, the shale will be the first 
       18      material to be on -- to be laid.  That black shale 
       19      will be the first material?  That's her question.
       20   A  BILL HEATH:             Sorry, Mr. Chairman, we 
       21      seem to be having some problems with the 
       22      translation.
       23            The layman's answer of the question though 
       24      is, yes, the shale is the bedrock in the material. 
       25   Q  And I check the material, the shale, when I put it 
       26      in the water, the fragments like small sands tends 

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        1      to float like in the fragments, so I think the 
        2      black one, when I put it in the water, it sank to 
        3      the bottom right away without any of it floating.  
        4      Whether -- I don't know if you are trying to just 
        5      cover it with the black shale, and I think the 
        6      intention for the shale is to go in between the big 
        7      rocks.  Is that the intention why you were using 
        8      the shale? 
        9      JIM CASSIE:             Chair, Jim Cassie again.  
       10      Hopefully everyone can hear me again without the 
       11      microphone. 
       12            The lady had a question, and I think she was 
       13      concerned that the shale here was potentially going 
       14      to fall, I think, into the openings of the rock.  
       15      If she was thinking about the rock fill where we 
       16      have big rock piles, and that is true in that a 
       17      little certain amount will certainly go into the 
       18      voids and will have to fill those spaces, and 
       19      nominally that has been accounted for a little bit.  
       20      Some of it will go into the rock fill to cover 
       21      those openings in the rock, that will happen for 
       22      sure.  But it will be placed in there, packed in 
       23      there so that it is not going to continue to fall 
       24      and make, you know, an irregular surface.  It will 
       25      be tight in there. 
       26            Now, of course, we are also going to place 

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        1      shale on top of the tailings.  The tailings are, of 
        2      course, a very fine grained material.  Most of the 
        3      tailings, of course, at depth are frozen, although 
        4      during the summertime, some will be thawed a little 
        5      bit.  And we do have to be careful a little bit, 
        6      that when we place this, this material here, it 
        7      doesn't move all this around.  But we think we have 
        8      a procedure, which is in the cover report, to try 
        9      to prevent that from happening, and we will 
       10      basically check that this material doesn't get 
       11      mixed with this one when replacing them.  We will 
       12      check it to make sure that that doesn't happen.  So 
       13      I hope that addresses her question. 
       14   Q  Yes, you answered. 
       15            The boulders or the big rock there with a 
       16      hammer, you mentioned it is hard to break, that 
       17      will be the armour material, sand and gravel?
       18   A  Yes. 
       19   Q  Them black one, shale bottom and the sand gravel 
       20      would be on top, right? 
       21   A  Yes.
       22   Q  I understand the location Nanisivik and the -- so 
       23      it is my -- still my concern that I heard a good 
       24      side that you will be monitoring it, that's good. 
       25            And if it was in the past when we were 
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        1      are closer to Qadlunnaq, so at least you are 
        2      listening to it now. 
        3            I even thought that the miners, when they are 
        4      preparing for anything, they don't regard cost of 
        5      getting anything, they just bring them anything 
        6      that they need.  So I thought half of the tailings 
        7      would be pumped out, or at least a quarter of it 
        8      would be pumped out water, or the tailings, at 
        9      least.  So at first I thought that was my concern, 
       10      but they kept saying it would be costing too much.  
       11      So since you keep saying that it is going to cost a 
       12      lot, then I am a bit happier now that you will be 
       13      monitoring the site, that's what is holding me 
       14      back. 
       15            But the tailings, it is a buff, the level of 
       16      the water lake, and the land tends to or the lake 
       17      water tends to soak land and that material is -- 
       18      you know, the more material that you put on.
       19            Niore's idea tends to seep out, so I think 
       20      for that reason, you have to have good monitoring 
       21      on the site.  And we were taught that it is going 
       22      to freeze or is it going to -- like, does it freeze 
       23      solid in the wintertime, or is there a talik, I 
       24      guess, in some areas? 
       25      BOB CARREAU:            Bob Carreau.  Yes, the plan 
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        1      the start, we are going to be introducing frost, 
        2      every year there is going to be more frost coming 
        3      in, and it is going to protect the tailings from 
        4      moving, from migrating. 
        5            There will be no water penetrating through 
        6      the cover into the tailings and discharging 
        7      chemicals.  The water is going to go down into the 
        8      shale, in the frozen area and then migrate on. 
        9   Q  So if you leave the site, then did you have some 
       10      chemicals that prevent it from freezing when you 
       11      were operating the mine?
       12   A  No, there are a lot of tailings that aren't frozen 
       13      now.  As we said, there is only 30 percent of the 
       14      tailings that are thawed.  What kept the tailings 
       15      from feezing when we were operating it is that it 
       16      was warm.  It comes out in at 11 degrees, and you 
       17      are putting out about 2,000 tonnes a day, that is a 
       18      large heat -- a large heat source.  So the area 
       19      that was just freshly deposited was obviously not. 
       20   Q  If you are telling the truth, then I will be happy 
       21      that it will be frozen solid and that if you add 
       22      more, you will build up freeze.  So if that's the 
       23      truth, I am happy because it is a big area.  It is 
       24      a big area to cover. 
       25            If you are lying in a small way, then I will 
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        1      you will know my concern. 
        2            My big concern that tailings, because even 
        3      when you showed me the material, I still don't -- I 
        4      still have doubts.  Like I see this material, it is 
        5      waterproof, that even on this kind of material to 
        6      be on top so that it becomes waterproof, but I know 
        7      it would cost a lot of money.  And that if a woman 
        8      were sewing this material to put on top, they would 
        9      make money. 
       10            And also, I want to know because the mining 
       11      areas are -- they leave this material in mining 
       12      operation, is there hazardous materials like PCBs 
       13      on the site right now?
       14   A  Yes, there are some PCBs on the site right now, and 
       15      as I mentioned in our presentation, the PCB wastes 
       16      are in a regulated container and they are safe.  
       17      They will be shipped off-site this summer.  And the 
       18      PCBs and transformers, the PCBs and transformers 
       19      will be continued to be used.  These transformers 
       20      are generated now at the site.
       21   Q  There is mining operations all over the world, and 
       22      they use -- okay.  Tailings, in other countries or 
       23      when they have the mine, do they usually normally 
       24      leave tailings, like just cover it?  And is that 
       25      normal way to have a mine?
       26   A  Yes, personally I have responsibility for seven 

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        1      mines, for the environmental issues at seven mines 
        2      around the world, and at each one of those 
        3      operations we leave the tailings, we cover them 
        4      either with water or material, and this is the only 
        5      jurisdiction that we actually put permafrost in the 
        6      cover, which is even better. 
        7            But it is always the times, you don't leave 
        8      -- you don't move the tailings, you leave them on 
        9      surface and cover them with water or with material, 
       10      something that is going to stop water and oxygen 
       11      from going through and meeting with the chemicals 
       12      in concern. 
       13   Q  I see.  And if you are going to be careful with the 
       14      tailings, I agree with your plan.  But if you are 
       15      just going to leave it, I will be concerned because 
       16      we have wildlife, caribou, rabbits and ptarmigan, 
       17      and we rely on those as food.  So if they get 
       18      contaminated because they live on the vegetation, 
       19      and caribou, they live on the vegetation, so that's 
       20      why it is my concern. 
       21            Also, so am I lying that the material that 
       22      you are going to put on to cover it -- and then 
       23      that means nothing will seep out when you cover 
       24      that?  The black shale there, if you cover that, so 
       25      can you confirm to me that the shale will keep the 
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        1   A  Our tests, the tests we did at the site confirm 
        2      that it stops water from going through.  There is 
        3      no water going through unless it is frozen.  It 
        4      will take -- when we put the tailings or the shale 
        5      on this summer, it is going to be thawed, so it is 
        6      going to take some time for it to -- it is going to 
        7      take at least one season to get permafrost to cover 
        8      -- to make a cover.  And in the meantime it will be 
        9      like it is now, that there is a receding water gone 
       10      down the road, and water is contained, it is not 
       11      released as it meets the criteria.  And next year 
       12      will be the same with the water in the season, make 
       13      sure it won't be upsetting the structure. 
       14   Q  The people in the front, are you Water Board?  Are 
       15      you Water Board members?  Some members have not 
       16      made any comments, so I am asking the Board if the 
       17      company is telling the truth that it will be 
       18      preventing tailings from seeping out or not.
       19      WILLIAM LYALL:          I guess the reason that you 
       20      haven't heard me speak is I am here to listen to 
       21      each side of the story and to go back and analyze 
       22      what have we heard, to do the best that we can to 
       23      prevent any seepage of any material.
       24            And I want you to know, all of you, that we 
       25      are not your enemy.  We are here as a Water Board 
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        1      and to protect our land in a way that other 
        2      countries in the world haven't protected theirs. 
        3            I have been on the Northwest Territories 
        4      Water Board for seven years, and there are mines 
        5      that are just left without even doing any kind of 
        6      the restoration to them.  There are some in the 
        7      Northwest Territories, but to my knowledge, there 
        8      is no mines that have been left alone in Nunavut so 
        9      far. 
       10            And every one of the mines -- as long as 
       11      there is a water board of Nunavut, those mines will 
       12      be made to clean up any mess that they left behind 
       13      or going to leave behind there. 
       14            This has never happened before, it is riding 
       15      on every country that they don't get this type of 
       16      thing, but there is other countries that do not 
       17      clean up what they work with. 
       18            This Polaris mine and Nanisivik mine 
       19      certainly are going to be cleaning up, to the best 
       20      of our ability, as a Water Board; so I promise you 
       21      that.  As long as I'm on the Water Board, we will 
       22      try to prevent -- adhere to what we have put on 
       23      paper.  And every single piece of information that 
       24      we have, we will try to put it on paper so that the 
       25      land that's left as much as possible the way that 
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        1            And I think one of the things that you hear 
        2      about the tailings, what I'm not hearing is how 
        3      high, how deep they are going to put it, but I know 
        4      what it is because I have read what they say they 
        5      are going to do.  And it is three metres in between 
        6      some of it, there is -- if I could show you by 
        7      doing this, I think you would be more understanding 
        8      of what the tailings themselves could be, could be 
        9      frozen forever if a thing like global warming 
       10      doesn't happen up here. 
       11            And then I -- I personally -- I say that 
       12      global warming, if it is true, then more likely 
       13      there will be seepage.  And I tell you right now, 
       14      there is the new mine cleanups that are happening, 
       15      the covers that I have seen so far are not seeping. 
       16            So we, as the Water Board of Nunavut, are 
       17      your friends, and we are going to try to do the 
       18      best we can.  Like I said, for them, for the mining 
       19      companies, if it was up to me, they would clean as 
       20      much as possible the place that they work with. 
       21            That's my input, and I'll make more comments 
       22      if need be here during the hearing.  But I like to 
       23      hear, I guess, our legal advisor to give part of 
       24      the answer to your question. 
       25            So, Mr. Tilleman, can I have your comment, 
       26      please? 

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        1      BILL TILLEMAN:          Thank you very much. 
        2            The Board, again, is here to listen to 
        3      everybody.  And the Board is not from the company.  
        4      And you people are now asking questions of the 
        5      company.  And then tomorrow morning the Board will 
        6      hear from the government, from the Fisheries and 
        7      Environment, from NTI, from the hamlet, and then we 
        8      are here to close this meeting tomorrow night. 
        9            But whenever that is, the Board goes home, 
       10      and then it decides who they believe.  And we have 
       11      reviewed the notes, and we have reviewed the 
       12      pictures and the slides and the discs and the 
       13      everything, books, that you have already seen 
       14      today.  So we have reviewed what's been filed.  The 
       15      Board decides at that point in the next month who 
       16      to believe, and then it writes a decision.  And 
       17      that decision will then amend the water license 
       18      that is in place, so that's why they are here 
       19      today. 
       20            The Board members don't usually talk unless 
       21      they have questions to clear up things, to help 
       22      them better understand what decisions they are 
       23      going to make in a month.  So that's why they are 
       24      here right now, they are listening.  They can say 
       25      whatever they want, but they probably listen more 
       26      right now because they really want to hear everyone 

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        1      today and tomorrow, and then it would be the time 
        2      for them to form their opinion.
        3      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Mr. Tilleman. 
        4   Q  LEAH OQALLAK:           So I suggest that for 
        5      Nanisivik, just for the tailings, that what we just 
        6      talk about tailings, nothing else.  That's my 
        7      suggestion, just the tailings there. 
        8            That first material, that shale, black shale, 
        9      I think that if there is global warming, that it is 
       10      going to heat up since it is dark material, it 
       11      would be warmer  to the touch, that black shale. 
       12   A  BOB CARREAU:            Just say that again?
       13   Q  That first material, that first layer of shale, the 
       14      land, when it is melting, the black shale is now 
       15      going to melt the permafrost.  Like, sand tends to 
       16      warm very fast, so my -- that's my question, 
       17      whether the shale will not melt the permafrost.
       18   A  Those are all very good questions. 
       19            You are right, the black material absorbs the 
       20      heat more than light material, and that's also one 
       21      of the reasons why the particular armouring 
       22      material is selected, because it is light in 
       23      colour, because it reflects more of the heat.  So 
       24      we will have a lighter-coloured material on top, 
       25      and we haven't factored that in to the 1.25 metres, 
       26      so that adds a level of conservatism, that we 

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        1      consider it all behaving like back shale.  And, in 
        2      fact, the top layer is going to behave differently, 
        3      it is going to absorb less heat. 
        4            And we have calculated with the warming 
        5      effect, so that's calculated in there.  Global 
        6      warming, as you mentioned, is a concern, and so we 
        7      had, as I mentioned, included modeling that takes 
        8      the worst-case scenario that Environment Canada 
        9      offers you now over the years, we include that in 
       10      the mine.  And like any engineering we do, that's 
       11      the best you can do, it has to be based on some 
       12      scientific data, and that is based on sound 
       13      scientific data. 
       14   Q  So even I suspect that we have not been told by the 
       15      heath department or anyone why we have the skin 
       16      conditions, skin -- like, we haven't been told what 
       17      the reason is.  People go out to hospitals with 
       18      skin -- skin lesions or something.  And I suspect 
       19      that through maybe eating from rabbits and small 
       20      game, maybe they are getting the skin condition.  
       21      But we have not been told by any health department, 
       22      so I just kind of -- that's just my suspicion. 
       23            So snow bunting, little bird landed on the 
       24      tailings and it died right away, and it got -- I 
       25      got scared that I saw the bird die, so that's why 
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        1            So I say next time you come in, I'm going to 
        2      dance in front of you to show that I was dancing to 
        3      no more tailings, because I'm very concerned about 
        4      the tailings.  But I ate too much, so I cannot 
        5      dance right now.  Yeah, I was going to dance for 
        6      sure. 
        7            I'm getting old, and my memory is not -- my 
        8      memory is not very good.  But tailings is one thing 
        9      that keeps in my mind. 
       10            I even wrote notes and a letter to Water 
       11      Board and either my grandson or my -- they took 
       12      them, but I wrote a letter which I neglected to 
       13      mail, but I wrote it down.  And written material is 
       14      better. 
       15            Thank you for listening to me, thank you 
       16      everyone for helping us, and thank you for 
       17      informing us. 
       18            And we were told in the past that the 
       19      Hudson's Bay Company were the only Qadlunnaq, they 
       20      said we are Eskimos.  Why were you just walking 
       21      around like dogs?  And that's how we were treated 
       22      before, and because I was able to speak English. 
       23            And I am glad to see that we are getting 
       24      people to inform us and listening to our concerns 
       25      and questioning us about our concerns, so I am 
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        1            This is your final meeting.  My question is, 
        2      Is this your final meeting?
        3   A  Yes, this is our final meeting. 
        4   Q  So take care.  And thank you for listening. 
        5      BILL HEATH:             Thank you. 
        6      CHAIRMAN:               Remember to say your name.
        7      KUNUK OYUKULUK:         I am Kunuk Oyukuluk from 
        8      Arctic Bay, from HTO, Hunters and Trappers 
        9      Organization. 
       10            I have two comments.  Nanisivik is not a 
       11      concern to me.  Two of us, we are responsible for 
       12      the hamlet -- hamlet council, and we get support 
       13      from the hamlet even when the company leaves.  We 
       14      will still get information from the hamlet and the 
       15      HTO.  So I'm not too concerned, because we will get 
       16      assistance through monitoring, and so that's my 
       17      first comment. 
       18            And as HTO representative, the HTO are 
       19      concerned about the environment and wildlife, and 
       20      they are responsible.  So our concern is when 
       21      Nanisivik started operation, it was not mentioned, 
       22      my concern was not mentioned; I don't know why. 
       23            Because Arctic Bay have been impacted, that 
       24      shipping -- ship, it brings in supplies, I guess, 
       25      for Nanisivik like equipment and supplies for 
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        1            In early spring, when it was still March or 
        2      May, when there is still ice, they would break the 
        3      ice.  And because it is our wildlife area -- and so 
        4      my concern is that seals, we rely on the seal meat; 
        5      and they have a breeding ground on the ice, that 
        6      the ship went through the breeding ground of the 
        7      seals. 
        8            And in July when Arctic Bay residents were 
        9      out Norwhale hunting, the ship also went through 
       10      the hunting ground, the hunting area.  And during 
       11      the Norwhale hunting, Norwhales would be scattered 
       12      away by the ship.  So every year they did that 
       13      through the ice.  For that reason right now, today, 
       14      at least today Norwhales and seals -- I'm using two 
       15      times, two winters that I have noticed the hunting 
       16      area is no more seals around.  There is hardly any 
       17      seals left.  I think the ship did that.  Same with 
       18      the Norwhale, before the shipping -- before the 
       19      ship came in, there were -- we have a point there 
       20      near Arwak (phonetic) to where our father and 
       21      Achaka (phonetic) were the leaders, and they used 
       22      to let us wait for the Norwhales in the ice.  But 
       23      now there isn't even -- we can't even see those 
       24      Norwhales anymore.  And until the ice starts 
       25      breaking, they finally start going in the area, but 
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        1      mention that.  I think the Qadlunnaq have a policy 
        2      that only if they read it, they can believe it. 
        3            So the shipping caused depletion in the 
        4      wildlife and -- but they did not mention that.  So 
        5      I think that's how Qadlunnaq operate, that they 
        6      only believe something in writing, and they -- we 
        7      lost a Norwhale population and seal population. 
        8            And hunters in Arctic Bay need more 
        9      assistance because we rely on animals to live on or 
       10      to feed us, so we need more assistance.  So I need 
       11      more help so that our generation -- next 
       12      generation, that they will have to have food to 
       13      eat.  And because we were brought up from the 
       14      country food, so -- and they are best food and 
       15      makes you stronger, and we will be weaker 
       16      population on other kinds of food. 
       17            So these are my concern, I'm Kunuk Oyukuluk.  
       18      Thank you.
       19   Q  JASON PALLUK:           Thank you.  Thank you, 
       20      Chairman.  Thank you for allowing me. 
       21            I'm not from Arctic Bay originally, I'm from 
       22      Clyde River.  I want to make a comment that Water 
       23      Board -- before Water Board came in -- like, I 
       24      usually talk loud in a public meeting.  I worked 
       25      in -- and Arctic Bay is in Nunavut, and I want to 
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        1      me to speak as a Nunavutmiut.
        2            So my question to the company or to the 
        3      applicant, to the company representative, as a 
        4      Nunavut resident that there is one area where -- 
        5      like in Nanisivik, in 2005 the mine site will be 
        6      reclaimed.  So my question is the land and ore 
        7      contaminants or the tailings, what I think -- I 
        8      work -- I used to work in the environment area that 
        9      I used -- I was part of the cleanup, and my 
       10      question is during your reclamation work, what will 
       11      happen to the oil and diesel fuel that's on the 
       12      surface on the land; what will happen to that?
       13   A  BOB CARREAU:            Any oil, any diesel that's 
       14      on the land, the soils will be picked up and put 
       15      underground and be put in the lower lens of the 
       16      mine where it be won't have an opportunity to flow 
       17      because it is below the portals.  And it will 
       18      eventually be absolved in the permafrost process, 
       19      it is part of the -- in the underground mine in 
       20      Nanisivik. 
       21   Q  The reason why I ask is I used to work during the 
       22      cleanup.  I saw where I want to be -- okay, let's 
       23      say look at the size of the community hall, how 
       24      high would you cover it?  And let's say if you have 
       25      to cover the area of the community hall, how much 
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        1      that's on the surface --
        2      TRANSLATOR:             Okay.  I think he is asking 
        3      if you will put some material on the bottom, after 
        4      you take the oil out from the surface and put 
        5      the -- another layer, clean layer on top?
        6   A  Once we remove the contaminated soil, then we will 
        7      contour the surface so it looks like the 
        8      surrounding area. 
        9            And I'm not sure if you were asking if how 
       10      much material -- you were asking how much, for us 
       11      to show you in the community hall?  Perhaps you 
       12      could clarify that?
       13   Q  JASON PALLUK:           My question, let's say, for 
       14      example, through when I was working for the 
       15      clean-up work, looking at the size of the community 
       16      hall, if you make a ditch, the material would be --
       17      TRANSLATOR:             Okay.  He is using an 
       18      example from the mine site that he was involved in 
       19      the cleanup where they put -- they dug out, make a 
       20      ditch.  They put material, waterproof material and 
       21      then they put the soil materials and then made the 
       22      cover, so he wants to know if you will be doing 
       23      that.
       24   A  Okay.  I understand.  Bob Carreau. 
       25            We have -- while we were operating, we had 
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        1      correct, what we did was we dug a ditch, and it was 
        2      about half the size of this room, and we lined it 
        3      with the material, and we put in a 
        4      hydrocarbon-contaminated material because it 
        5      biologically cleans itself.  Biologically, bacteria 
        6      gets in there and breaks down the hydrocarbons, and 
        7      the soil is eventually cleaned.  But because we -- 
        8      that takes many years, and because we are shut down 
        9      now, we are taking this soil back, and we are 
       10      taking the liner up.  We are putting all of this 
       11      material underground, and the area where it was 
       12      will be recontoured and covered because it is part 
       13      of the landfill cover system. 
       14   Q  The Arctic Bay is closed to the mine site.  And as 
       15      a Nunavut resident, I want to use that as an 
       16      example, what I did when I was involved in the 
       17      cleanup. 
       18            The fuel is going -- when the fuel is going 
       19      to be cleaned up, then I would just say just you 
       20      put the contaminated soil in a waterproof, like, 
       21      ship.  Sometimes it is late coming in, so that's 
       22      why if you are going to use that system, then make 
       23      a ditch.  After the ditch is made, then put the 
       24      lining, waterproof lining so the contaminated soil 
       25      would be laid in that lining and cover it and put 
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        1      covered, so that would be my suggestion. 
        2            While you are waiting, too, for a ship to 
        3      come in -- like, sometimes ship doesn't come in, so 
        4      not just leave it the way it is.  And if you leave 
        5      the contaminated soil the way it is, I would not 
        6      like it. 
        7            Also, I used to work for environment.  
        8      Barrels or drums were -- if you are going to use 
        9      drums or barrels to contain this material, then, 
       10      like, use one with a lid that you can take the lid 
       11      off the barrel with -- contaminated soil would be 
       12      put into a container and then shipped out. 
       13            So I used to work for environment, these are 
       14      my ideas how to do it, because I'm concerned on 
       15      behalf of the people here. 
       16            And so those are my comments -- that because 
       17      it is in Nunavut, and we have to keep the -- our 
       18      land in Nunavut clean, so -- and they did clean up 
       19      in Clyde River area. 
       20            And you probably know Peter Puniak who worked 
       21      in Nanisivik before, and he has told me of how they 
       22      should clean up, because he worked at Nanisivik. 
       23            So also when you are working at Nanisivik for 
       24      cleanup, then I would suggest that you be aware or 
       25      be concerned of Arctic Bay residents when they are 
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        1      listen to them and consider their request, and 
        2      because people -- they will be here, they will be 
        3      observing your work, so that would be my suggestion 
        4      that -- and I'm glad that I was able to speak to 
        5      you. 
        6            I was not happy one time at -- before the ice 
        7      breaks up, ship would come in.  And as Nunavut 
        8      residents, our wildlife should be protected.  And 
        9      so if there is going to be a ship before breakup, 
       10      then I would suggest that you wait until it is open 
       11      water. 
       12            So these are my comments to support Arctic 
       13      Bay residents.  So thank you for allowing me to 
       14      speak. 
       15            And last comment is Nanisivik mine will be 
       16      closed for final closure, and I know Peter Puniak 
       17      from Nanisivik, he used to work in Nanisivik.  
       18      Maybe he should be recognized too somehow. 
       19      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Let's take ten 
       20      minutes and give the interpreter a break here.  
       21                              (RECESSED AT 8:08 P.M.) 
       22                              (RECONVENED AT 8:25 P.M.)
       23      CHAIRMAN:               Ready to go? 
       24   Q  SAKIASIE QAUNAQ:        My concerns that are 
       25      expressed, tailings -- all the tailings is a 
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        1            And I have worked in Nanisivik during the 
        2      loading.  I have helped when they were loading the 
        3      concentrate when concentrate is spilled out 
        4      sometimes on the conveyor belt, it would spill 
        5      outside.  The ship would go into the ocean, so big 
        6      amounts sometimes would spill to the ocean.  So the 
        7      concentrate in the -- along the beach, there is 
        8      sculpins and cod fish along there, and they are 
        9      okay.  And the company does the studies. 
       10            We have not heard of any report of animals 
       11      dying as a result of these spillage of the 
       12      concentrate, so I'm not sure if it would be a 
       13      concern or hazardous.  Because if it was hazardous, 
       14      there would be reports of animals dying when they 
       15      are loading on the ship.  Sometimes when the 
       16      conveyor belts would block, it would spill. 
       17            So I think -- I could see sculpins and cod 
       18      fish along in the area of the spillage, and 
       19      there -- it doesn't seem to affect them.  So I 
       20      think the company will continue to monitor the 
       21      area.  And we have never heard of any reports of 
       22      the effect on the animals, so that's just my 
       23      comments. 
       24            I think the big concern should now be a big 
       25      concern because of the studies that are done.  And 
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        1      2002, it had operated every year.  And ever since 
        2      then there was a number of years there should have 
        3      been dead animals around if it was hazardous.  So 
        4      now when it has closed operation, they just leave 
        5      everything still now, it is not moving around.  So 
        6      to me, personally, I think they will be cleaning up 
        7      that. 
        8            But my concern, I saw the lake -- it used to 
        9      be a lake naturally, but it was -- they put a Dike, 
       10      so only one side of it was being pumped into.  So 
       11      they wanted a different location to dump the 
       12      tailings.  But it was exposed after the tailings 
       13      was on land or it was exposed, but it is a big -- 
       14      it used to be a small pond, but now it is a bigger 
       15      pond now.  Perhaps, you know, it has added big 
       16      level, and someone suggested to pump it out, and I 
       17      think it would take more than ten years to pump it 
       18      all out.  And I know the bottom of it is frozen, 
       19      and they try the concentrate and they haul it to 
       20      the storage shed, so that area in the storage shed, 
       21      sometimes it is very high.  And even sometimes when 
       22      the concentrate even freezes, so just that they had 
       23      to dig out the frozen concentrate.  So the number 
       24      of years being there, it is going to freeze for 
       25      sure, and it is going to take a long time to dig it 
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        1            So my only concern would be that Dike, 
        2      because it is gathered in one area, and there is a 
        3      number of puddles or ponds in the area, creeks or 
        4      rivers. 
        5            When the water is freezing or receding and 
        6      they burst out, you know, we can see the frozen 
        7      river sometimes in -- where they burst out, they 
        8      would leave some areas open.  So when it is 
        9      freezing, when it starts freezing, it bursts 
       10      upwards.  So what I am thinking is when you cover 
       11      the tailings, the slope area will keep one area 
       12      open water or keep it so that it can drain down 
       13      slowly to the, I guess, retention pond or 
       14      something. 
       15            And last year there was a meeting, the boss 
       16      was away, I think, and there was another boss here, 
       17      and he said that -- how thick the material would 
       18      be.  And then we heard later on that it would be 
       19      one metre thick in the shale.  And if it is only 
       20      one metre, then I think only one metre would 
       21      somehow eventually expose the tailings.  So we saw 
       22      the material that will be used because it compacts 
       23      and the armour material -- the sand that's used at 
       24      the airport for the airport cover material.  The 
       25      black shale there is used as compact material 
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        1      operating.  If you are going to contour the gravel, 
        2      you know, at least keep some areas as portals.  And 
        3      I would suggest more than one metre thickness. 
        4            And it was mentioned that we heard that -- 
        5      okay.  I'll make other comments later on, maybe 
        6      tomorrow, but -- because I heard that they have 
        7      good plans to clean up.  Thank you.
        8   Q  MOSES OYUKULUK:         I am Moses Oyukuluk. 
        9            I have a question.  That shale that we saw, 
       10      sand armour, are you going to mix sand with shale, 
       11      or are you just going to use shale?  Are you going 
       12      to mix those two materials or just one material at 
       13      the time, one shale and one sand?
       14   A  BOB CARREAU:            No, we won't mix the 
       15      materials.  We put the shale down in layers so that 
       16      it is saciassimation (phonetic), it will be 
       17      compacted. We will put it down in layers and then 
       18      put armour on top. 
       19   Q  Maybe the one in the glass, the reddish material, 
       20      is it added with any other material?  That reddish, 
       21      that gravel there you got there in the glass 
       22      bottom, are you going to remove the sand and just 
       23      use the gravel?
       24   A  No, we will use the material as we find it.  It is 
       25      graded, as they say, so there is a certain variety 
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        1      pieces and some big pieces, and that makes it the 
        2      most stable for erosion protection.  So we will use 
        3      it as it is natural on land, as mentioned.   
        4            What we are trying to do is duplicate natural 
        5      processes that -- we know that process works.  It 
        6      is a very good armouring material, so that material 
        7      is going on top.
        8   Q  Yeah, my concern is that if it is too sandy 
        9      material, it will just go into wind blown -- be 
       10      blown by wind.  There is too much sand.  And 
       11      humans -- it will be only one metre thickness.  I 
       12      think it is too thin for me.  I think two metres 
       13      would be more appropriate. 
       14            When the mine started, I used to work in 
       15      different gravel areas, and I know that the -- it 
       16      is about two metres down, the permafrost, so I 
       17      think two metres would be more sufficient to keep 
       18      it frozen.  And it has been a lot of years when 
       19      they operate, more than 25 years or almost 25 
       20      years, and it's a big area to clean up in two 
       21      years, only two summers to fall. 
       22            I don't think it will be completely reclaimed 
       23      in that time, two years.  I would suggest that it 
       24      can be possible to be more than two years.  That's 
       25      my suggestion. 
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        1      operator and get apprenticeship program going, 
        2      let's say, for mechanic, because we didn't get any 
        3      funding for that.  The community, we wanted that 
        4      training, but government or somebody was not 
        5      supporting us.  And I heard the Legislative 
        6      Assembly, they don't seem to be supporting us 
        7      either. 
        8            And I know the Nanisivik company have helped 
        9      the community a lot in terms -- more than employing 
       10      40 people from the community, and we lost those 
       11      income to the community.  And some problem -- some 
       12      people are, you know, are desperate for work.  So 
       13      that's the impact on the community, that we lost 
       14      that jobs, those incomes.  So I think we were 
       15      trying to request those training opportunities, and 
       16      at least four or five years they should do the 
       17      work. 
       18            I know the community has benefitted from the 
       19      mine operation through employment, and I think 
       20      government, to my eyes, is not willing to help us.  
       21      So I think Nanisivik alone has the burden of 
       22      providing benefit to the community. 
       23            So as I mentioned, it operated more than 20 
       24      years, and sometimes the numbers of employees from 
       25      Arctic Bay would increase and decrease, so it 
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        1      after the mine closed, we lost that. 
        2            I will make other comments, we have tomorrow 
        3      too, so I'll try to make my comments short.
        4      MARY ATTAGUTAALUK:      I am Mary Attagutalluk.  
        5            You mentioned that we should feel free to 
        6      express our concern.  My concern is the dome or 
        7      cafeteria, I guess, or dome, that they have the 
        8      utensils and cooking -- cooking ware and cooking 
        9      stoves, and it should be contributed to the 
       10      community.  Utensils, I guess, that big pots and 
       11      stuff like that should be given to the community 
       12      and not just destroy them.  It is not going to look 
       13      -- at least give us those kitchen pots and 
       14      utensils. 
       15            If we talk negative on any subject, then it 
       16      stays negative.  But we have to work together and 
       17      look at the positive side of the mine site, of the 
       18      mine and not to dwell on the negative side.
       19            But I also mention the positive side of it 
       20      that the -- we need to work together, and the Water 
       21      Board needs to be satisfied as well, and the 
       22      community needs to be satisfied.  So not just to -- 
       23      as people which should not just think about the bad 
       24      side of it, but also be optimistic in terms of the 
       25      outcome that can happen in the closure.  So that's 
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        1      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you, Mary.
        2      TOOTALIK EJANGIAQ:      I am Tootalik.  I have 
        3      attended public meetings when Patrick is having a 
        4      public meeting.  I watch presentations. 
        5            We mentioned earlier that this -- we will 
        6      have a chance tonight to make our presentation.  
        7      And the infrastructure buildings that are not going 
        8      to be used are being demolished.  I got upset one 
        9      time because Patrick didn't allow us to express our 
       10      concern that time, but I am happy now that we can 
       11      talk about our concern. 
       12            So my comments will be on the infrastructure 
       13      and buildings.  And in Arctic Bay, we are the only 
       14      communities without cabins or hunting cabins.  
       15      Other communities have cabins.  And as Inuit, we 
       16      have no savings in terms of bank accounts.  Like, 
       17      we spend money right away, we don't save money, so 
       18      we don't have any savings to purchase cabins. 
       19            So these buildings, materials, although the 
       20      plan is to demolish them, but I will be upset if 
       21      they do that, if they just demolish them.  So I 
       22      will work hard to get it through the court to try 
       23      and get those material. 
       24            So I want the company and Water Board and the 
       25      people here and that, the Water Board is here to 
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        1            So I want my suggestion -- would be if we 
        2      have to move the building here, we heard it will 
        3      cost too much money because they relocated ten 
        4      units from Nanisivik to here.  And as Inuit, we -- 
        5      when we want something, we go for it.  So if we 
        6      can -- like, even myself, I can go up there and 
        7      dismantle a building.  And because it is very close 
        8      to -- we can load onto a sled and just haul them 
        9      here, it is possible to do that.  But I think it 
       10      would be -- people are open to grab them.  Me, I 
       11      might be left behind, so that might upset me too. 
       12            So I think some buildings are useless up 
       13      there, it is better to demolish them.  But the 
       14      usable materials -- and I know the smaller 
       15      dwellings -- like in other communities, they have 
       16      hunting cabins, and you can transport them.  So I 
       17      think it should be considered, and I think they... 
       18            Houses up there have household furniture and 
       19      appliances that can be used, so if that doesn't 
       20      happen, I will be upset for sure. 
       21            So that's my comment, that we should be 
       22      considered of getting building materials and the 
       23      household items, that there must be a way for us 
       24      Arctic Bay residents to gain those materials.
       25      TOMMY KILABUK:          Thank you, Chairman. 
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        1      Nunavut representatives, is there anybody here from 
        2      the Government of Nunavut?  There.
        3      CHAIRMAN:               There is legal counsel 
        4      Susan Hardy, and the other one, Earl and Rhoda. 
        5            Tomorrow they will be making a presentation. 
        6      TOMMY KILABUK:          So my question, the reason 
        7      why I am doing -- is that listening to the people's 
        8      concerns, the houses that were being moved here is 
        9      a concern that it would cost too much.  And the 
       10      Premier recently said the houses are contaminated 
       11      and, therefore, they cannot be relocated here, so I 
       12      don't really believe the reasons. 
       13            Like, if the people that were working in 
       14      Nanisivik, they could have -- you know, if it was 
       15      dangerous to the health, then they would be dead by 
       16      now.  But Murray is still alive, he worked there a 
       17      long time. 
       18            And I think in some way we are being ignored.  
       19      Like, I still argue with Murray, because he is 
       20      still alive.  So in some way, they say it is a 
       21      hazard.  But as Inuit, I need to understand the 
       22      Government of Nunavut, their reasoning behind their 
       23      unwillingness to give the material or buildings. 
       24            So I think I suspect that they don't want to 
       25      spend money, and perhaps that's the reason why they 
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        1      funding. 
        2      CHAIRMAN:               Tomorrow government will be 
        3      making a presentation.
        4      TOMMY KILABUK:          And if so, I can say that I 
        5      want two buildings before they are burned, and I am 
        6      able to take it apart and move it.  I am willing to 
        7      fix it. 
        8            And before the government decides to throw 
        9      anything, put aside two buildings for me.
       10      QAPIK ATTAGUTSIAQ:      I'm Qapik Attagutsiaq.  I 
       11      will talk about the old days first. 
       12            My husband Attaqutsiaq, I say Attaqutsiaq, 
       13      worked in Nanisivik, and he got injured one time.  
       14      And after today when people are getting the 
       15      Workers' Compensation, I finally thought about how 
       16      maybe -- because that time he was not qualified or 
       17      did not get any Workers' Compensation because he 
       18      never got any payment for the injuries.  So in 1981 
       19      he got injured, and he didn't get any Workers' 
       20      Compensation, so what I'm -- my question is, can -- 
       21      because he was not given a Workers' Compensation 
       22      that time, and because he -- something fell on him 
       23      and he got injured or he fell down and got injured.  
       24      And because that time there was no Workers' 
       25      Compensation, I guess -- and because today we hear 
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        1      maybe if somehow they can be retroactively get 
        2      compensation for that. 
        3            So my comment is that I don't think he ever 
        4      received any Workers' Compensation, and his pay 
        5      increase never -- or his paycheque never increased.  
        6      And he stayed on the same level of pay during the 
        7      whole time, and more than 20 years he worked for 
        8      the company, so these are my concerns also. 
        9            Moving on to a new item, the buildings are 
       10      being mentioned that they will be buried 
       11      underground and demolished, so we are -- we have 
       12      housing shortage in the community.  And young 
       13      people are increasing in numbers, they are starting 
       14      families, and they are not able to have jobs. 
       15            I want the young people to learn a trade in 
       16      construction.  At least some -- bring some building 
       17      material so that young people can learn to build a 
       18      house.  And, also, it is very close to Arctic Bay, 
       19      it is easy to transport material here, so it is 
       20      possible to do that. 
       21            And so a human body can do activity when it 
       22      is young, so anyone -- any young person can handle 
       23      hauling material here. 
       24            So I'm more than 80 years old, so our young 
       25      people here should learn to construct a house and 
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        1      young people. 
        2      CHAIRMAN:               Okay.  What I would like to 
        3      do is just go back to item number 9, questioning of 
        4      the applicant by parties respecting the applicant's 
        5      presentation.  I do believe that we have Arctic Bay 
        6      hamlet to ask a question to the applicant.  Do I 
        7      see anyone wanting to ask the question to their 
        8      presentation? 
        9            Does NTI have any comments or questions about 
       10      their presentation that they made earlier this 
       11      afternoon? 
       12      GEORGE HAKONGAK:        No comments or questions. 
       13      CHAIRMAN:               No comments.  Thank you. 
       14            Okay.  Does GN have any comments or questions 
       15      with regard to the applicant's presentation that 
       16      was done earlier this afternoon? 
       17            I hope you can see what I am doing.  I am 
       18      going back to item number 9, giving the community 
       19      of Arctic Bay a chance to question the applicant.  
       20      I'm going back to item number 9, questioning of the 
       21      applicant by the parties representing the 
       22      applicant's presentation.  So they have finished 
       23      their presentation.  Susan? 
       24      GOVERNMENT OF NUNAVUT QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT:
       25      SUSAN HARDY:            Thank you, Mr. Chair. 
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        1      has to do with signage especially around the 
        2      tailings area.  Is there any plan for your end of 
        3      your stay here then the Board has approved closure, 
        4      that there will be some signage for at least the 
        5      first part of reclamation, give a sense of what 
        6      that was and why we should stay away from that 
        7      area?  Are there -- that was the first kind of part 
        8      A to the question.  And part B, Are there other 
        9      areas that should be signed if there is some 
       10      materials that should be stayed away from? 
       11      BOB CARREAU:            Well, we haven't given it a 
       12      great deal of thought.  If signage is required now 
       13      in the license, and signage is being maintained now 
       14      through the license.  It is, as we pointed out, in 
       15      respect of the water quality will be no detrimental 
       16      to people or to wildlife when we finish. 
       17            The thing about signage is that it is 
       18      temporary, and it gets knocked down or it starts to 
       19      get ratty.  Signage and fences generally won't work 
       20      for long term, so we are hoping to stay away from 
       21      it.  But we follow the directions from the Water 
       22      Board.  We are keeping signage posted during the 
       23      current license period. 
       24      SUSAN HARDY:            Thank you. 
       25      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Carl McLean and 
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        1      with regards to the application? 
        2      CARL McLEAN:            Thank you, Mr. Chair.  I am 
        3      Carl McLean.  And we will defer our questions until 
        4      we give our presentation tomorrow.  Thank you. 
        5      CHAIRMAN:               Fair enough, thank you.  
        6      Environment Canada?
        7      ENVIRONMENT CANADA QUESTIONS THE APPLICANT:
        8      COLETTE MELOCHE:         Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.  
        9      Colette Meloche. 
       10            I just have one quick question in regards to 
       11      propane.  In your preliminary schedule for the 
       12      reclamation activities that were shown during the 
       13      presentation, you had indicated that the final 
       14      shipment off the site is to occur in 2005.  
       15      However, in a previous written response to the 
       16      Environment Canada questions, you had indicated 
       17      that propane, any remaining propane will be shipped 
       18      off-site in 2006.  So I was just wondering, dealing 
       19      with the propane, when any remaining propane would 
       20      be sent back to the supplier.
       21      BOB CARREAU:            Good catch.  2005, would be 
       22      shipped off-site in 2005. 
       23      COLETTE MELOCHE:        Thank you. 
       24      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  DFO, any 
       25      comments, questions to be addressed to the 
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        1      DERRECK MOGGY:          Derreck Moggy with 
        2      Fisheries and Oceans.  I think tomorrow in the 
        3      intervention I would like to put my comments in at 
        4      that time.
        5      CHAIRMAN:               Okay.  Thank you. 
        6            Okay.  As I stated earlier, I was hoping that 
        7      everyone would agree that with regard to the 
        8      interveners, I am hoping that Arctic Bay will be 
        9      the first to make their presentations; secondly, 
       10      NTI; thirdly, GN; fourth, DIAND; fifth, Environment 
       11      Canada; last but not the least DFO, that's everyone 
       12      agreed?  Is that okay with everybody?  Ramli? 
       13      RAMLI HALIM:            I am Ramli Halim from Acres 
       14      International.  I think I was going to put a 
       15      presentation and an intervention tomorrow, so I am 
       16      hoping that would be the last one.
       17      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Thank you, 
       18      Ramli.  Arctic Bay? 
       19      SAKIASIE QAUNAQ:        I forgot one question.  
       20      During those open pit or the portal in 1969, they 
       21      made -- in 1979, it is very big, we can see the 
       22      exposed clay cliffs.  And they said they will 
       23      return it to their natural state.  So in order to 
       24      return it to a natural state, it is going to take a 
       25      lot of fill.  So are you actually going to put 
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        1      BOB CARREAU:            Yes, the intention is to 
        2      backfill.  There is still a significant amount of 
        3      waste rock on surface.  There is also some 
        4      interdemolition debris that will go in there and 
        5      make up the volume, and then it will be topped with 
        6      shale.  So it will be close to the natural 
        7      topography that is out there now.
        8   Q  The other question, in the middle, the big pipes or 
        9      some of it is the piping.  I think, you know, the 
       10      ventilation, I think it refers to the ventilation 
       11      in the mine, that one could easily go in, so that 
       12      should be covered properly, too. 
       13      CHAIRMAN:               Thank you.  Mr. Mayor?  
       14      What I would like to do is give the NWB legal 
       15      counsel to make a comment here. 
       16      BILL TILLEMAN:          Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 
       17            And so in summarizing where I think we are, 
       18      sir, is we are to the point where DIAND wanted to 
       19      take tonight to think about its questions and start 
       20      first thing in the morning. 
       21            And also if it is okay with the Board, then 
       22      the staff also has a few questions to ask, which we 
       23      would prefer to do that first thing in the morning.  
       24      So perhaps then it would be a good time to call it 
       25      a day, and then we -- recognizing that the -- 
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        1      oath. 
        2            We will start first thing tomorrow morning at 
        3      a time that you decide.  And whenever that is, we 
        4      will get back and start first with DIAND, and from 
        5      there we will go straight to the staff.  And then 
        6      when that is done, if the Board has any final 
        7      questions, then we dismiss the applicant.  And then 
        8      we can go to the next first presentation from the 
        9      hamlet.  That would be my advice to you, Mr. 
       10      Chairman. 
       11      CHAIRMAN:               I will accept your advice.  
       12      I would recommend we start at 8:30 sharp tomorrow 
       13      morning or earlier.  Does 8:30 sound okay?  All 
       14      right.  We will see you all at 8:30 tomorrow 
       15      morning.  
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        3            I, TARA LUTZ, hereby certify that the 
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